A new Y-DNA Match for GFG14 confirms the family placement for John Guthrie and Jane Porterfield. Guthrie Family Group 14 represents the descendants of George Nelson Guthrie. His origins are still a little murky. Probably from the New York area, with several brothers who were Revolutionary War Soldiers. Unidentified brothers, unfortunately. The YDNA matches men of the Joyce or Joice surname, so we have a genetic mismatch mystery with this group that continues to be confirmed by Y-DNA results. George is also frequently misidentified as the George Guthrie who is a son of GFG2A-Branch E’s Robert Guthrie and Bridget Dougherty. This is another family. Current New York matches tend to be related to Group 6, but we need evidence to link them together, or rule them out.
George Nelson Guthrie reportedly moved his family from New York to the western frontier (Pennsylvania). They went from there to Ohio, and from Ohio to Indiana.
Born: 12 Oct 1805 in Pennsylvania (Discrepancy? A calculation: 72Y 6M 22D on 2 Apr 1877 = DOB of 11 Sep 1804)
Married: Abt. 1830 to Jane Porterfield
Children: Martha, Joseph, Ebenezer, Maria, John H, Susanna, Mary Jane, George W. Margaret
Residences: Pennsylvania; Richland (c1840) and Morrow (c1850) Counties, Ohio; Noble County, Indiana (c1870)
Death: 2 April 1877 at the age of 72Years 6Months 22Days
Since all descendants of GFG14 most likely lead back to George Nelson Guthrie as their shared ancestor, a look through the known descendants leads back to a probable set of parents for John Guthrie.
Based on the approximate DOB and the DNA match, John Guthrie is most likely the son of John Ernest Guthrie (1774NY-1839OH) and Susanna Hodgkinson (1778IRE-1854OH).
Guthrie Family Group 14 now includes 5 men of the Guthrie surname.
Four are participants at the Y37 marker level. 1 has a Y67 test.
Since this is a Small Guthrie Family Group with a lot of Joyce/Joice matches, I recommend that members add the Joyce DNA Project (if one exists) to their list. I also recommend that you invite them to join this project as there is no guarantee they are official members of the Joyce DNA Project.
Big-Y testing would also give you a better idea of the originating Joyce lineage, and the timeline of when your line actually split off from the Joyce family. Several of them appear to have already tested at that level. See your results page for their current testing levels.