B: William Guthrie & Ann Hunter / Jacobina McClure

Guthrie Family Group 3A – Branch B
WILLIAM GUTHRIE c1771 SCT – 1844 SCT
m1. ANN HUNTER, m2. JACOBINA MCCLURE
of Ayrshire, Scotland

CONTENTS:
Origin Theories
The Family of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter / Jacobina McClure
The Guthrie DNA Project
Reading and Resources

ORIGIN THEORIES

This Guthrie family has a great advantage over many others in that is has a documented connection to its roots in Ayrshire, Scotland. William Guthrie lived in Ayrshire, Scotland his entire life. Our project participant’s line immigrated to New Zealand. Genetic testing reveals a common direct paternal ancestor between this Scotland-New Zealand family and multiple American lineages descending from Francis Guthrie, Sr. within Guthrie Family Group 3A.

The 1771 census of Dundonald, Ayrshire lists William Guthrie’s age as 70 making his estimated DOB 1771. This date may be off by as many as 9 years. The census also lists him with his son James Guthrie, whose full DOB is known. He is listed as 35 instead of 44.

Recent research has expanded William Guthrie’s theoretical family tree. The only red flag appears to be that birth date. Was he indeed born about 1771? If the DOB was actually off by 9 years, his DOB would be closer to 1762. Other documentation and newspaper articles suggest that William Guthrie was the son of George Guthrie & Margaret Bowie born in 1763 in Craigie, Ayrshire. George was the son of John Guthrie & Janet Howie, and John was the son of George Guthrie (1660-1712) & Isobald Hewie.

These also happen to be the ancestors of Alexander Guthrie of Mount. If the family theory is correct, William Guthrie 1763-1844 would be his uncle. The matriculation of arms document for Alexander’s daughter Christina Guthrie indicates that her father is ‘believed to be’ paternally descended from Rev John Guthrie, Minister of Tarbolton, who was the youngest son of the Laird of Pitforthie. John was living in Ayrshire at about the right time to be father to George Guthrie (1660-1712), but there is no known documentation as to whether or not Rev John Guthrie and his wife Mary Haldane had any children.

See the Guthrie Genealogy blog entry: GFG3 Theories – Part 1 for a detailed description.

THE FAMILY of WILLIAM GUTHRIE
& ANN HUNTER / JACOBINA MCCLURE

WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Born: c1771
Location: Scotland, possibly Ayrshire
Marriage 1: Ann Hunter about 1787 in Scotland
Marriage 2: Jacobina McClure on 17 Jan 1803 in Ayrshire, Scotland
Occupation: Farmer
Death: 29 May 1844
Location: Auchans, Ayrshire, Scotland
Burial: Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland on 3 Jun 1844

ANN HUNTER
Born: 1769-1773 (Rough Estimation)
Location: Scotland, possibly Ayrshire
Sons: George Guthrie, John Guthrie, William Guthrie, James Guthrie
Daughters: Ann Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie
Death: 7 Nov 1801
Location: Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland
Burial: Dudonald Churchyard with son George

JACOBINA MCCLURE
Born: 1770
Location: Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland
Sons: George Guthrie, Robert Guthrie, David Guthrie
Daughters: Agnes Guthrie, Jacobina Guthrie
Death: 21 Oct 1835
Location: Crossburn, Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland
Burial: 26 Oct 1835 at Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland

NOTES:

Searching for William Guthrie’s parents. Based on naming patters, it seems probable that his father’s name was George Guthrie. Not only did he name his eldest son George Guthrie, but at George’s death in 1800, he then used the name for his eldest son with 2nd wife Jacobina McClure. It could be that he was just naming the second one after the first child.

Although the 1841 Scotland Census lists William Guthrie as 70 years of age, making his DOB about 1771, there is a discrepancy with the age listed for son James, whose known DOB should have made him 44 rather the the 35 listed. This suggests that William’s age could also be off by as much as 9-10 years.

Casting a wide range for estimated DOB to sons born to men named George Guthrie, there are 4 born in Scotland between 1750-1775.

  • George Guthrie (transcribed as Guthrie) in Dumbfries abt. 23 Jul 1752. No mother listed.
  • George Guthrie in Sidehead, Craigie, Ayrshire abt 27 Feb 1763. No mother listed.
  • George Guthrie in Thornyside, Ochiltree, Ayrshire abt 11 Jul 1768. No mother listed.
  • George Guthrie & Elizabeth Goldie in Edinburgh on 18 Jul 1769.

The two in Ayrshire seem like the best candidates since William’s children were born in Mauchline and Dundonald. However, we do not have a marriage record for him and his first wife Ann Hunter that identifies where William was living prior to that marriage.

If naming patterns do not apply in this case, there were 8 infants named William Guthrie born in Ayrshire between 1750-1775.

Before any official determine can be made, we need some genetic clues. Ideally, a YDNA match to a collateral line that confirms the parent generation.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN: 11 (6 + 5)
Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Autosomal DNA Participants: Yes

CHILD 1: GEORGE GUTHRIE
1788 SCT – 1800 SCT
Died Young

Son of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter. No birth/baptismal record was found in the Ayrshire records. George Guthrie died aged 12 on 20 Oct 1800 in Dundonald and is buried at the Dundonald Churchyard with his mother, Ann, who died the following year.
Dundonald Mortality Register – Anno 1800:
Guthrie: George son William Guthrie tenant in Harperland and Ann hunter spouses was interred at Dundonald in the twenty third day of October Ad Eighteen hundred.

CHILD 2: JOHN GUTHRIE (Militia Captain / Farmer)
1790 SCT – 1834 SCT
Partner: Janet Lenox
Spouse: Isabella Tennant

Son of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter. John Guthrie was born 10 Feb 1790 and baptized 15 Feb 1790 at Mauchline, Ayrshire, Scotland.

It is believed that this John Guthrie is the man living in Turnberry, Ayrshire, who had a ‘natural’ son with Janet Lenox. The boy was named John Guthrie and was born at Affee the 26th April 1819 and baptized at Therhowale on 20 July 1819 in Kirkoswald.

Dramatically, just a day after the boy’s birth, John Guthrie in Kirkoswald Parish and Isabella Tennant in Girvan Parish were married at Girvan mains 27 April 1819.

The reason this John Guthrie has been selected as the likely son of William Guthrie and Ann Hunter is that one of their three daughters is names “Ann Hunter Guthrie”.

John Guthrie was a militia captain and farmer residing in Turnberry. “Captain John Guthrie from Turnberry Lodge, a mid aged man” died on 24 January 1834. in Kirkoswald, Ayrshire, Scotland. He is buried with his daughter, Margaret.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN: 4
Y-DNA Project Participants: None
Autosomal DNA Participants: None

1.) John Guthrie 26 Apr 1819 Kirkoswold, Ayr – died 18?? – no further data
2.) Isabella Guthrie 21 Oct 1819 Kirkoswold, Ayr – 10 Jan 1866 Blythswood, Lanarkshire m. George Smith +children
2.) Margaret Guthrie 19 Apr 1821 Kirkoswald – 17 Jun 1834 Kirkoswold – aged 13
3.) Ann Hunter Guthrie 29 Jan 1823 Kirkoswald – 3 Mar 1901 Kelvin, Lanarkshire m. David Murray +children

CHILD 3: WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1791 SCT -1856 SCT
PARTNER: Susan Good

Son of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter. William Guthrie was baptized 31 Oct 1791 at Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland.

He had a relationship with Susan Good that resulted in the birth of a son, James Guthrie.

JAMES son to SUSAN GOOD at Fairlie mains begotten in fornication with WILLIAM GUTHRIE JUNIOR at Hinterland was born the 30th of Jan last and baptized the 21st March 1814 her father being sponsor.

The entry immediately prior to this one lists Susan Good’s daughter, Susan, born 1812, but does not specifically name the father. Unknown if also William Guthrie. So far, Autosomal DNA testing shows only matches to other descendants of brother James Guthrie, but not to any other known GFG3A lines.

William remained unmarried. He died on 26 Mar 1856 in Dundonald.

WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, single, died 3PM Drummieholm?, 64, Parents: William Guthrie, farmer, and Ann Hunter, both decd, COD: Spinal disease causing paraplegia, Informant: James Guthrie, brother.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN: 1 or 2
Y-DNA Project Participants: YES
Family Finder Participants: YES

1.) James Guthrie 30 Jan 1814 Dundonald, Ayr – 21 Apr 1889 Whithorn, Wigtown m. Isabella McIntyre +children
2.) Susan Good (?) 27 Apr 1812 Dundonald, Ayr – Aft 1861 Ayr m. Charles Arthur +children, m. Arthur Dyet

CHILD 4: ANN GUTHRIE
1794 SCT – 1837-40 SCT
SPOUSE: George Johnston

Daughter of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter. Ann Guthrie was baptized at Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland on 24 Feb 1794. There is only 1 marriage record for a woman of this name 1800-1830 in the Ayrshire OPR.

Ann Guthrie of Dundonald married George Johnston of Kilwinning parish on 17 Jan 1820 at Dundonald. He was a son of Robert Johnston, a land surveyor, and Ann Anderson. George worked as the Factor for the Earl of Eglinton & Winton. Their children were all born/baptized in Kilwinning.

Trees list Ann’s DOD as 28 Jan 1835 in Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland, but there is no entry in the OPR for that date or location for Ann Guthrie or Ann Johnston. The widower George Johnston remarried to a Jane Smith in Kilwinning on 12 June 1836 and recorded on 14 June 1836 in Kilmarnock.. She also appears to have died prior to the 1841 census. George is listed on his 1864 death record as the widower of Jane Smith.

1841 Census:
George Johnston, 50, born abt. 1791, M, SCT, residence: Redburn, Kilwinning, Ayrshire, Occupation: Factor
William Johnston 19, born abt. 1822, Ayrshire
John Johnston 10, born abt. 1831, Ayrshire
Robert Johnston 10, born abt. 1831, Ayrshire
Andrew Johnston 8, born abt. 1833, Ayrshire
Mary Johnston 4, born abt. 1837, Ayrshire
Charles Johnston 3, born abt. 1837, Ayrshire

1851 Census:
George Johnston, 60, born abt. 1791 Cullen, Banffshire, Residence: Redburn House, Kilwinning, Ayrshire, Occupation J P Agent to the Earl of Eglinton & Winton
Robert Johnston, 22, born abt. 1829 Kilwinning, Ayrshire, son, Occupation: Clerk in GJ’s office
Andrew W Johnston, 18, born abt. 1833 Kilwinning, Ayrshire, son, Occupation: Clerk in GJ’s office/ school at Ayr
Ann Johnston or Moffatt, 30, born abt. 1821 Kilwinning, Ayrshire, daughter, Occupation: Living in Family with her Father

1861 Census:
George Johnston, 70, head, born abt. 1791 in Cullen Banffshire, Residence: Redburn Cottage, Occupation: Retired land agent or factor
Ann Johnston or Moffatt, 40, daughter, born abt. 1821 in Kilwinning, Ayrshire
Jabina E Johnston or Allan, 35, daughter, born abt. 1826 in Kilwinning, Ayrshire
Mary Johnston, 24, daughter, born abt. 1837 in Kilwinning, Ayrshire
Anne Moffat, 21, granddaughter, Born abt. 1840 in Ardrossan, Ayrshire
Patrick Moffat, 14, grandson, born abt. 1847 in Ardrossan, Ayrshire, occupation: Scholar
Sabina E Allan, 11, granddaughter, born abt. 1850 in New Nilpatrick, Sterlingshire, occupation: Scholar

JOHNSTON CHILDREN: 7
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Family Finder Participants: No

1.) Ann Johnston 12 Nov 1820Ayr – 14 Dec 1861 Ayr m. James Moffatt (Civil Engineer) – no children
2.) George Johnston born 5 May 1822 Ayrshire – aft. 1864
3.) Jacobina ‘Jabina’ Elisabeth Johnston 15 May 1825Ayr – 6 Jun 1861 +children
4.) William Johnston born 11 August, bapt. 31 August 1826 Ayr –
5.) Robert Johnston born 4 Aug 1828Ayr – no further details.
6.) John Johnston born 4 June 1830 Ayr – no further details.
7.) Andrew Wyllie Johnston born 19 Nov 1831, bapt 2 Jan 1832 – no further details

CHILD 5: MARGARET GUTHRIE
1795 SCT – 1875 SCT
Spouse: Robert Pettigrew

Daughter of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter. Margaret was baptized on 4 Sep 1795 at Dundonald. She married Robert Pettigrew in Dundonald on 12 Dec 1836. No children found for this couple in the OPR or census records.

Margaret died on 23 Jan 1875 in Troon, Ayrshire, Scotland.

MARGRET PETTIGREW, married to Robert Pettigrew, landed proprietor, died 5AM at St Maddens House, Troon, 79, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, and ANNIE HUNTER, COD: Hemiplegia, Informant: Rob Pettigrew, widower.

PETTIGREW CHILDREN: None
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Family Finder Participants: N/A – No known descendants

CHILD 6: JAMES GUTHRIE
1797 SCT – 1863 SCT
Marital Status: Single

Son of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter. James Guthrie was baptized on 19 Oct 1797 in Dundonald. He was a border at the home of William Black in 1861 living as an annuitant. He died unmarried on 22 Apr 1863 in Loans, Ayrshire, Scotland.

JAMES GUTHRIE, annuitant, single, died 5AM at Loans, 65, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, and ANN HUNTER, both decd, COD: Gastritis, Informant: Rob. Guthrie, brother.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN: None Known
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – No Known Direct Male Descendants
Family Finder Participants: No Known Descendants

CHILD 7: GEORGE GUTHRIE
1803 SCT – 1868 SCT
Spouse: Margaret Cumming McDowell

George Guthrie was possibly named after his eldest half-brother who died in 1800. He was born on 10 Sep 1803 in Dundonald. He married Margaret Cumming McDowell on 7 Oct 1834 and their marriage was recorded in both Inch and Mochrum, Wigtownshire, Scotland. He was the resident factor to the Earl of Stair at Rephad House located on an arable tract of land in the SW corner of Stranraer Parish in Wigtownshire. George died at Stewington, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland on 18 Jan 1868.

GEORGE GUTHRIE, factor, married to MARGARET CUMMING MCDOWALL, died 330AM at Cecil Lodge 5 Blackford Road Edinburgh, 64, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, & Jacobina McClure, COD: Lung disease; Informant: Jacobina Guthrie, daughter.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN: 12
YDNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No

1.) William Guthrie (Advocate/Sheriff of Lanarkshire) 1835 – 1908 m. Charlotte Carruthers Palmer +children
2.) Alexander Guthrie (Factor to Earl of Stair) 1837 – 1877 – unmarried
3.) George Guthrie 1839 Wigtown – bef. 1851 Wigtown – No further details
4.) Ann Cumming Guthrie 7 Sep 1840 Wigtown – no further details
5.) Stair Guthrie (Engineer) 23 Jul 1842 Wigtown, SCT – 22 Nov 1882 Chile m. Unidentified Spouse +children
6.) James Guthrie 2 Mar 1844 Wigtown, SCT – 1848 Wigtown, SCT
7.) Jacobina Guthrie 21 Dec 1845 Wigtown, SCT – 29 Nov 1931 Perth, SCT m. Robert Cullen Russell +children
8.) Margaret Guthrie 11 Jan 1848 Wigtown, SCT – Aft 1851 Wigtown, SCT – no further details
9.) Robert Guthrie (Library Student) 1 May 1849 Wigtown SCT – 9 Jan 1867 – died at 17 years of age – Typhus
10.) James Cumming Guthrie (Annuitant Clerk) 3 Feb 1851 Wigtown, SCT – 1874 aged 23
11.) Agnes Fergusson Guthrie 29 Mar 1853 Wigtown, SCT – 10 Apr 1930 Edinburg, SCT – unmarried – aged 77
12.) Helen Guthrie 4 Jan 1855 Wigtown, SCT – 11 Oct 1930 Perthshire, SCT – unmarried – aged 75

CHILD 8: AGNES THOMSON GUTHRIE
1806 SCT – 1885 SCT
Spouse: Rev. James Fergusson, Minister of Inch

Agnes Thomson Guthrie was born on 19 Feb 1806 in Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland. She married James Fergusson, Minister of Inch, on 20 Jan 1835. Agnes died on 16 Feb 1885 in Old Luce, Wigtownshire, Scotland.

AGNES FERGUSSON, annuitant, widow of the Rev James Fergusson Minister of Inch, died 730AM in Glenluce, Parish of Old Luce, aged 78, Parents: William Guthrie farmer & Jacobina McClure, both decd., COD: Apoplexy & paralysis; Informant: Agnes F Guthrie niece.

FERGUSSON CHILDREN: None Known
YDNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Family Finder Participants: None

CHILD 9: ROBERT GUTHRIE
1808 SCT – 1887 SCT
Spouse: Catherine Annandale Hunter

Robert Guthrie was born on 16 Jun and baptized 28 Jun 1808 in Dundondald, Ayrshire, Scotland. He married Catherine Annandale Hunter on 11 Jun 1837 in Dundonald. They raised their family there and are listed in the census records in 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, and 1881. During the 1841 census they were listed at Auchans House and afterward at Crossburn. Only one of their six children married.

Robert Guthrie died on 24 March 1887 in Dundonald.

ROBERT GUTHRIE, farmer, widower of CATHARINE ANNANDALE HUNTER, died 630AM at Crossburn, Dundonald, 77, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, & JACOBINA MCCLURE, both decd, COD: Bronchitis, Cystitis, Informant: Wm Guthrie, son.

Legal documents can be found under Ayrshire Sheriff Court Wills dated 5 Oct 1887.
GUTHRIE, ROBERT, farmer, Crossburn, near Troon, d.24/03/1887 at Crossburn, testate. WILL. Ayr Sheriff Court Wills. SC6/46/19.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN: 6
YDNA Project Participants: None
Family Finder Participants: None

1.) Madeline Jane Guthrie – born 8 Ap 1838 Ayr, SCT – 8 Sep 1912 Edinburg, SCT m. John Scott McHutchen (Banker) +child
2.) Jacobina “Jubina” McClure Catherine Guthrie 14 Aug 1839 Ayr, SCT – 12 Apr 1920 Edinburgh, SCT – unmarried
3.) William Guthrie (Estate Factor) 5 Jun 1841, Ayr, SCT – 28 Nov 1907 Midlothian, SCT – unmarried
4.) Margaret “Maggie” Ann Guthrie 23 Feb 1843 Ayr, SCT – 20 Aug 1922 Edinburgh, SCT – unmarried
5.) Catharine Annandale Hunter Guthrie 22 Aug 1845 Ayr, SCT – 9 Mar 1933 Lanark, SCT – unmarried
6.) Agnes I Fergusson Guthrie 6 May 1847 Ayr, SCT – 31 Jan 1900 Ayr, SCT – unmarried

CHILD 10: JACOBINA GUTHRIE
1810 SCT – 1890 NZ
Spouse: William Rankin

Jacobina Guthrie was born 9 Jun and baptized 18 Jun 1810 at Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland. She married William Rankin of Kilmarnock on 11 August 1834. He was a chemist, born on 17 Nov 1802, son of William Rankin, a clockmaker and/or chemist, and Agnes Dove. (Note that trees have have attached the wrong William Rankin to Jacobina Guthrie.) They are listed in the 1841 census of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland and the 1851 and 1871 census of Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland.

Their eldest son, William G Rankin, immigrated to New Zealand when he was 18, in 1853. The majority of William and Jacobina’s children died before reaching adulthood, several of pulmonary consumption in their late teens. Jacobina’s husband, William Rankin, died in Troon, Ayrshire, Scotland on 7 May 1880. Afterward, Jacobina, along with her only surviving child left in Scotland, left for New Zealand. There is a Passenger list dated 1881 for the ship Garonne arriving in Australia that includes Scottish passengers Mrs Jacobina Rankine, 69, and Mr Robt. Rankin, 29. Presumably, they caught another ship to New Zealand. Son Robert died in November of that year.

Jacobina Guthrie Rankin is documented in the cemetery records for Addington, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand., aged 80. Birth date about 1810, death date 3 May 1890. The National Probate Index of Scotland (Calendar of Confirmations and Inventories, lists Jacobina Rankin otherwise Jacobina Guthrie – Death date 3 May 1890 in Akaroa, Confirmation Date 26 June 1891 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Value of estate L1,304, 13s. 1d. “Confirmation of Jacobina Rankin otherwise Jacobina Guthrie or Rankin of Akaroa, Colony of New Zealand, who died 3 May 1890, at Akaroa, testate, granted at Edinburgh, to Charles Masterman Henning, Solicitor, Akaroa aforesaid, Executor nominated in Will or Deed, dated 30 November 1888, and recorded in Court Books of Commissariot of Edinburgh, 25 June 1891.

At the time of her death she left five hundred pounds to a faithful servant and the remainder of her estate to her son William Rankin.

RANKIN CHILDREN: 11
YDNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Family Finder Participants: None (No Known Biological Rankin Descendants)

1.) William G Rankin 8 Jun 1835 Ayr, SCT – 1 Apr 1904 NZ m. Margaret Gibbs +stepchild assumed Rankin name
2.) Jacobina McClure Rankin 10 Oct 1836 – not in 1851 census – no OPR marriage/death record found
3.) Agnes Rankin 26 Jun 1838 Ayr, SCT – not in 1851 census – no OPR marriage/death record found
4.) Margaret Rankin 25 Sep 1839 Ayr, SCT – 8 Sep 1855 Ayr, SCT – aged 15
5.) Janet ‘Jessie’ Rankin 14 Mar 1841 Ayr, SCT – not in 1861 census – no OPR marriage/reath record found
6.) Ann Guthrie Rankin 3 Jan 1843 Ayr, SCT – 26 Sep 1862 Ayr, SCT – aged 19 – unmarried
7.) James Donald Rankin 11 Jul 1844 Ayr, SCT – Bef. 1851 Ayr, SCT
8.) Georgina Rankin 17 Jun 1846 Ayr, SCT – 26 Sep 1861 Ayr, SCT – aged 15
9.) Helen ‘Ellen’ Rankin 13 Aug 1848 SCT – not found after 1871 census
10.) Robert Rankin 15 Mar 1850 Ayr, SCT – 5 Nov 1881 NZ – unmarried – aged 31
11.) James Rankin (Writers Clerk) 26 Dec 1851 Ayr, SCT – 23 Mar 1870 AYR, SCT – aged 18 – unmarried

CHILD 11: DAVID GUTHRIE
1813 SCT – 1887 SCT
Spouse 1: Mary McDowall
Spouse 2: Elizabeth Kerr Lowrie

David Guthrie was born 20 May and baptized 2 Jun 1813 at Dundonald. He worked as a bank agent and writer. Twice married. First to Mary McDowall, who died 28 Nov 1885. Briefly to Elizabeth Kerr Lowrie. No children found. David died on 28 July 1887 at Stranraer, Wigtown, Scotland, and was buried there 2 August 1887.

DAVID GUTHRIE, bank agent & factor, married to Elizabeth Kerr Laurie, formerly to Mary Mcdowell, died 330PM at union Bank, Church Street, Stranraer, 74yrs, Parents: William Guthrie, farmer, & Jacobina McClure, both decd, COD: Syncope.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN: None
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – No Known Direct Line Male Descendants
Autosomal DNA Participants: N/A – No Known Descendants

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG3A
Group Designation: Branch C – (The Guthries of Ayrshire, Scotland)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-BY12113

YDNA Matches:  1
Kit 319359 (+FF)
William Guthrie/Ann Hunter > William Guthrie/Susan Good > James Guthrie/Isabella McIntyre (GGP) +more

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:  2
Kit 402163
William Guthrie/Ann Hunter > William Guthrie/Susan Good > James Guthrie/Isabella McIntyre (GGP) +more

Kit 632008
William Guthrie/Ann Hunter > William Guthrie/Susan Good > James Guthrie/Isabella McIntyre (GGP) +more

Kit B882221
Possible descendant of William Guthrie. Child of Susan Good and undocumented father, Susan / (m2) Charles Arthur > Isabella Arthur / John Calderwood (2xGGP)

Findings:

Our Y-DNA participant has tested at the Y111 level. His results are a match for the remainder of the GFG3A group, but he does have some variances compared to the rest of the others. Both he and the autosomal kits have recent ties to Scotland and/or New Zealand, so it is likely that the most recent common ancestors between this branch and the other GFG3A branches is more distant. He matches the Group Mode DNA at 106/111.

New genetic genealogy tools for Big-Y testing now provide visual results showing the points in the timeline where individual branches within each group diverged. The most recent common ancestor between GFG3A – Branch A and Branch B lived around 1450-1500. If you are a Guthrie DNA Project member at FTDNA sign in to view the Group Time Tree for GFG3A.

READING and RESOURCES

ARCHIVES: Scotland’s People – A partnership between the National Records of Scotland and the Court of the Lord Lyon. All searches are free. Digital downloads require payment.
Old Parish Registers / Church Registers – 1553 to 1855
Statutory Registers: 1855 to Current
Also includes: Census returns, Valuation rolls, Legal Records (wills, military wills, coats of arms), Poor Relief and Migration Records, Prison Registers, Employment Records, and Kirk Sessions.
Digital Repository: scotlandspeople.gov.uk

  • Marriage Record of William Guthrie and Ann Hunter – No marriage record found for this couple in the OPR. There is another couple by the same names who married in 1811.
  • No birth / baptismal record found for William and Ann’s son George. See Mortality Register.
    Guthrie, George – Mortality Record – 1800 – Dundonald, Ayrshire
    (OPR Search: Church Registers/Deaths and Burials > Guthrie, George, 1800 to 1800, Ayr)
  • Birth/Baptism Records for other Guthrie-Hunter Children
  • Birth/Baptism Records for Guthrie-McClure Children
  • Mortality Register: Guthrie, Ann Hunter /Spouse: William Guthrie – 10 Nov 1801 – Dundonald
    (OPR Search: Church Registers/Deaths and Burials > Guthrie, Ann 1801 to 1801, Ayr)
  • Marriage Record: William Guthrie to Jacobina McClure – 17 Jan 1803 – Dundonald
  • Mortality Register: Guthrie, William – 29 May 1844 – Dundonald
    (OPR Search: Church Registers/Deaths and Burials > Guthrie, William 1844 to 1844, Ayr)
  • Mortality Register of William Guthrie/Ann Hunter/Jacobina McClure’s Children:
    • George Guthrie – 20 Oct 1800 -Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland: George son William Guthrie tenant in Harperland and Ann hunter spouses, was interred at Dundonald the twenty third day of October ad. Eighteen hundred.
    • John Guthree – 29 Jan 1834 – Kirkoswald, Ayrshire, Scotland: Captain. John Guthrie from Turnberry Lodge a mid. aged man
    • William Guthrie – 26 Mar 1856 – Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, single, died 3PM Drummieholm?, 64, Parents: William Guthrie, farmer, and Ann Hunter, both decd, COD: Spinal disease causing paraplegia, Informant: James Guthrie, brother.
    • Ann Guthrie – No OPR Death Record Found
    • Margaret Guthrie – 23 Jan 1875 – Troon, Ayrshire, Scotland: MARGRET PETTIGREW, married to Robert Pettigrew, landed proprietor, died 5AM at St Maddens House, Troon, 79, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, and ANNIE HUNTER, COD: Hemiplegia, Informant: Rob Pettigrew, widower.
      See Also: Scotland, National Probate Index – 1878 (Ancestry.com)
    • James Guthrie – 22 Apr 1863 – Loans, Ayrshire, Scotland: JAMES GUTHRIE, annuitant, single, died 5AM at Loans, 65, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, and ANN HUNTER, both decd, COD: Gastritis, Informant: Rob. Guthrie, brother.
    • George Guthrie – 18 Jan 1868 – Stewington, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland: GEORGE GUTHRIE, factor, married to MARGARET CUMMING MCDOWALL, died 330AM at Cecil Lodge 5 Blackford Road Edinburgh, 64, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, & Jacobina McClure, COD: Lung disease; Informant: Jacobina Guthrie, daughter.
    • Agnes Thomson Guthrie – 16 Feb 1885 – Old Luce, Wigtownshire, Scotland: AGNES FERGUSSON, annuitant, widow of the Rev James Fergusson Minister of Inch, died 730AM in Glenluce, Parish of Old Luce, aged 78, Parents: William Guthrie farmer & Jacobina McClure, both decd., COD: Apoplexy & paralysis; Informant: Agnes F Guthrie niece.
      See Also: Scotland, National Probate Index – 1885 (Ancestry.com)
    • Robert Guthrie – 24 Mar 1887 – Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland: ROBERT GUTHRIE, farmer, widower of CATHARINE ANNANDALE HUNTER, died 630AM at Crossburn, Dundonald, 77, Parents: WILLIAM GUTHRIE, farmer, & JACOBINA MCCLURE, both decd, COD: Bronchitis, Cystitis, Informant: Wm Guthrie, son.
      See Also: Scotland, National Probate Index – 1887 (Ancestry.com)
      See Also: Legal Records 5 Oct 1887 – Ayrshire, Scotland: GUTHRIE, ROBERT, farmer, Crossburn, near Troon, d.24/03/1887 at Crossburn, testate. WILL. Ayr Sheriff Court Wills. SC6/46/19.
    • Jacobina Guthrie – Died 3 May 1890 – New Zealand – Legal Records: 26 June 1891 – Edinburgh Sheriff Court: Wills (SC70/4/253) and Inventories (SC70/1/296)
      See Also: Scotland, National Probate Index – 1891 (Ancestry.com)
      See Also: New Zealand, Cemetery Records – Addington Cemetery, Canterbury, (Ancestry.com)
    • David Guthrie – 28 Jul 1887 – Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland: DAVID GUTHRIE, bank agent & factor, married to Elizabeth Kerr Laurie, formerly to Mary Mcdowell, died 330PM at union Bank, Church Street, Stranraer, 74yrs, Parents: William Guthrie, farmer, & Jacobina McClure, both decd, COD: Syncope
      See Also: Scotland, National Probate Index – 1887 (Ancestry.com)
      See Also: Scotland, National Probate Index – 1888 (Ancestry.com)

FIND-A-GRAVE MEMORIALS:
Dundonald Parish Churchyard in Dundonald, South Ayrshire, Scotland

SUBSCRIBER of POETICAL WORKS:
Little, Janet, 1759-1813. The Poetical Works of Janet Little, the Scotch Milkmaid. Air: Printed by John & Peter Wilson, 1792. (ESTC T126549)
Subscriber Liste Includes:
Mr. William Guthrie, Harperland
Mr. J. Guthrie, Dollars

BOOK: Alton, William. (1811). General View of the Agriculture of the County of Ayr: With Observations on the Means of Its Improvement; Drawn Up for the Consideration of the Board of Agriculture, and Internal Improvements. With Beautiful Engravings. United Kingdom: A. Napier. (Digital Repository: Google Books)
On the subject of Crop Rotation…
“Mr William Guthrie, in Harperland, on the estate of Fairly, the property of Sir William Cunningham, and many other tenants, that I could name, have anxiously wished to be allowed to change the Fairly (crop) rotation into one more liberal, and better suited to modern ideas.”
Note: Previous page also mentions Mr Guthrie in Mount; Mr Guthrie at Loans.

HISTORICAL TAX ROLLS:
Farm Horse Tax Rolls 1797-1798, Volume 1 (Scotlands Places)
Master/Mistress Names – # Horses – Horses Liable in Duty – Horses Not Liable – Duty
William Guthrie, Harperland – 4 – 4 – 0 – £0.8.0

Farm Horse Tax Rolls 1797-1798 Volume 7 (ScotlandsPlaces)
Master/Mistress Names – # Horses – Horses Liable in Duty – Horses Not Liable – Duty – 20% per 37 george III
William Guthrie, Harperland – 4 – 4 – 0 – £0.9.0 – £0.1.9.6

Land Tax Rolls for Ayrshire, Volume 05
Names of Proprietors – Names of Lands – Valuation
Alexander Fairlie Esqre. – Harperland – £42.13.0

NEWSPAPER ARTICLES & MAGAZINE ENTRIES:
Star (London) – Tuesday – 14 April 1801 (Digital Repository: The British Newspaper Archive)
Kilmarnock Farmer’s Club Annual Ploughing Matches:

The Agricultural Magazine, Or, Farmers’ Monthly Journal of Husbandry and Rural Affairs: Including Occasional Observations on Gardening. (1809). United Kingdom: Longman, Hurst, Rees, and Orme.

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