2A-D: Archibald Guthery
Guthrie Family Group 2A · Branch D · Child Page
Archibald Guthery& Family
Nancy Phillips · Rachel Hudson
Pennsylvania · Ohio · Indiana
Archibald Guthery, born 20 January 1774, was the second child of John Guthery and Lydia Baldwin. His record trail leads from the family’s Pennsylvania home through Ohio to Franklin and Bartholomew Counties, Indiana.
His sister’s family account names Nancy Phillips. A deed dated 29 June 1815 names Rachel as his wife and places the couple in Franklin, Indiana Territory. The marriage sequence and the children’s maternity remain unresolved.
Family at a Glance
Archibald Guthery
- Parents
- John Guthery and Lydia Baldwin.
- Born
- 20 January 1774, recorded in the family Bible; the family lived in the Monongahela region of present-day southwestern Pennsylvania.
- Residence
- Ohio land and tax records; Franklin, Indiana Territory, by June 1815; later Indiana census records.
- Died
- About 1831 is an estimate, commonly associated with Bartholomew County, Indiana. No exact death date is established.
- Burial
- Reported family burial ground in Bartholomew County, Indiana. The precise burial circumstances require further documentation.
Nancy Phillips
& Rachel Hudson
- Nancy Phillips
- Named in Lydia Guthery Peters’s account. The family account attributes the children to Nancy; no marriage record has been located. Her parents and vital dates remain unverified.
- Rachel
- Named as Archibald’s wife in the 29 June 1815 deed. The surname Hudson comes from later family history, not from that deed.
- Marriage Chronology
- The dates and sequence are unresolved. Rachel was living in June 1815; an earlier presumed death cannot be used to assign the children’s mother.
- Rachel’s Origins
- The reported Hudson parentage needs independent support. Her birth and death dates are not established.
Five children in the working family
Attributed to Nancy Phillips by the family account; each relationship and maternal placement remains subject to its evidence.
Lydia Guthery Peters’s abbreviated account mentions two children. The working roster retains Lydia, Corbley, Mary, Eli, and Matilda. The different counts do not justify removing children merely to make the sources agree.
| Child & Dates | Marriage | Family & Evidence |
|---|---|---|
| Lydia Guthery About 1796; death reported 1878 | John Fread / Frad / Fred | Lived in Brown County, Indiana. The marriage indexes contain competing dates and identities. The working family includes ten children; the later census entries require careful correlation. |
| Corbley Guthery About 1799; died by June 1835 | No spouse identified | Retained as Archibald’s son in the working family. An estate transcription places Eli’s appointment as administrator on 26 June 1835. No children have been identified. |
| Mary Guthery About 1804–1807; died 4 October 1894 | David Grove / Groves | The marriage index gives 4 August 1831. Mary lived in Bartholomew County, Indiana. Her working child list includes Olive Ann, Mary Jane, William, and Elizabeth. |
| Eli Guthery Reported 18 June 1807–18 May 1838 | Amanda Cochran | Reported marriage: 27 September 1832, Bartholomew County. His life dates appear in cemetery material. No children are presently identified; this does not establish that the couple was childless. |
| Matilda Guthery About 1810–1812; living in 1860 | Thomas S. Jones | Marriage indexed 15 July 1832, Bartholomew County. Their family lived in Nineveh Township. Eight children appear in the working roster. Her death date is not established. |
Lydia Guthery & John Fread’s Family
The working child list is James B., Archibald Guthery, John Thomas, Stephen, Joseph Alvin, Elizabeth, William, Cynthia Ann, Mary, and Olive Ann Fread. It is a research roster, not a fully resolved set of birth and death dates. The following marriages and later identities are retained as family-history leads where original evidence has not been established.
| Child | Birth | Reported Family & Research Notes |
|---|---|---|
| James B. Fread | About 1815 | Lydia Stewart, reported marriage 1837. His death is variously placed in the 1850s; retain the uncertainty. |
| Archibald Guthery Fread | About 1820 | Reported wives: Lucinda C. Buttram, Emeline Buttram, and Lydia Rush. Family dates place his death in 1909. |
| John Thomas Fread | About 1823 | Mary Chase, reported marriage 1841; later associated with Illinois. |
| Stephen Fread | About 1825 | Eliza Ann Chase, reported marriage 1848; later associated with Oregon. |
| Joseph Alvin Fread | About 1827 | Reported wives: America Burgett and Elizabeth Myers; later associated with Iowa. |
| Elizabeth Fread | About 1830 in the 1850 index; later ages differ | Her later identity and death remain unresolved. The proposed Gardner and Macintyre connections require corroboration. |
| William Fread | Working estimate about 1833; about 1838 from the 1850 index | Reported wives: Sarah Ellen Barnes and Elizabeth Snyder. Conflicting ages and life dates should be checked against the full records. |
| Cynthia Ann Fread | About 1833 | Jesse Grigsby; reported marriage in April 1854, with the day unresolved. Sons James and Alfred appear in the working family. Cynthia’s death is unknown. |
| Mary Fread | About 1836 | Aged 14 in the 1850 household index. Later identity not established. |
| Olive Ann Fread | About 1840 | Reported husbands: William Stultz and Robert Lindsey German. |
Mary, aged 14 in the 1850 census index, belongs in the list with an approximate birth year of 1836. Cynthia Ann, aged 17 in that household, should not be described as having died in infancy in 1833; her death date is unknown.
William’s birth estimates differ, and Elizabeth’s reported death conflicts with a possible later census appearance. The proposed identification of Cynthia with “Samantha Grigsby” in 1870 remains unverified. Neither that name nor the later household should be adopted as established without further correlation.
Mary Grove’s & Matilda Jones’s Families
Mary & David Grove: retain Olive Ann, Mary Jane, William, and Elizabeth. Mary Jane, aged 16 in Mary’s 1850 household index, was omitted from the shorter roster. Her proposed identification as Mary Jane Marr remains a lead. “Wm G” in 1850, the profile’s William H., and “John” in 1860 should not be silently combined or turned into an additional child without resolving the records.
| Child | Birth | Reported Family & Research Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Olive Ann Grove | About 1832 | John Anthony, reported marriage 1851. Later family history places her death in 1861. |
| Mary Jane Grove | About 1834 | Aged 16 in the 1850 index. The memorial-linked surname Marr remains to be corroborated. |
| William Grove | About 1841 in the profile; about 1843 from the 1850 index | Indexed as Wm G in 1850, while the profile uses William H. Do not assume the 1860 John is the same man. A reported 1866 death does not itself establish wartime service or cause of death. |
| Elizabeth Grove | About 1843–1844 | Reported death 1864; no marriage or children established in the reviewed material. |
Matilda & Thomas S. Jones: the working children are Edwin C., William P., Mary, Daniel D., James, Smith D., Emily Catharine, and Lydia. James’s middle initial varies in the material. Matilda’s absence from a later household is not an exact death record; retain her positive appearance in 1860 and leave her death date open.
| Child | Birth | Reported Family & Research Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Edwin C. Jones | About 1834 | Penelope Dawson; a reported 1880 marriage and later West Virginia family require their supporting records. |
| William P. Jones | About 1835 | Eliza F. Foster, reported marriage 1861. His death date and whether there were children remain unverified. |
| Mary Jones | About 1837 | John McCord, reported marriage 1852. |
| Daniel D. Jones | About 1840 | Appears in the 1850 and 1860 family material; later identity not confirmed. |
| James Jones | About 1842 | Middle initial S in the 1850 index, T in the profile. The proposed Mary “Minnie” B. Waller marriage in Illinois remains a family-history lead. |
| Smith D. Jones | About 1845 | Aged 5 in the 1850 household index; later identity not established. He is not automatically the older author of the 1881 cemetery letter. |
| Emily Catharine Jones | About 1847 | Catharine in 1850 and Emily in 1860 are retained within the working identification; later records are needed. |
| Lydia Jones | About 1851 | Aged 9 in the 1860 household index; later identity not established. |
Historical Highlights
Ohio land, an Indiana home
Archibald’s move west can be followed through more than a family migration story. His parents’ 1806 conveyance and the Ohio tax indexes establish land and tax connections. The 1815 deed then supplies a contemporary statement of residence in Franklin, Indiana Territory.
That deed is also central to the family reconstruction: it identifies his wife as Rachel. The record preserves a fact that an abstract saying only “and wife” cannot convey. It does not, however, state her maiden surname or identify the children’s mother.
Remembering the Indiana family
An 1881 newspaper exchange recalled a family burial ground on land later known as the Isaac Long farm. A correspondent described four apple trees marking the site and identified Archibald as the father of Eli and Corbley.
The daughters’ households extend the family story through the Fread, Grove, and Jones surnames. Their census and marriage records add important connections, while repeated names, conflicting ages, and incomplete indexes still require care.
Family Timeline
| Date | Event & Evidence |
|---|---|
| 20 Jan 1774 | Archibald’s BirthThe family Bible records the birth of John and Lydia’s second child.John Guthery–Lydia Baldwin family Bible. |
| About 1797–1798 | The Family Moves to OhioArchibald’s early history follows the wider family’s movement from Pennsylvania to the Scioto country.Family recollections; see the Family Hub. |
| 21 Oct 1806 | Land from John & LydiaThe recorded deed names John Guthery and Lydia his wife as grantors to Archibald.Volume 1, p. 90; the contemporary county was Ross, Ohio. |
| 1808–1810 | Ohio Tax-List EntriesIndexes place Archibald in Ross County, including Pee Pee in 1809. These are tax-list entries, not named federal-census households.Ohio early census/tax indexes; underlying lists remain distinct from the indexes. |
| 29 Jun 1815 | Archibald & Rachel in Indiana TerritoryThe couple, described as of Franklin, Indiana Territory, convey 83 acres in section 6, township 5, range 22 to William Guthery of Pike County, Ohio.Recorded deed, A:14; supplied image 008330634_00153.jpg. |
| 1820 | The Whitewater HouseholdThe original census row contains two males aged 45 or older. Nine people appear in the household; the second older man is unidentified.Whitewater, Franklin County, Indiana; original row and schedule/index context. |
| 1830 | A Bartholomew County EntryThe census index identifies “Archibald Cuthus,” aged 50–59, in a household of seven. Its correlation with this family remains part of the working chronology.1830 U.S. census index; unnamed household members cannot be assigned relationships from ages alone. |
| About 1831 | An Estimated DeathThe commonly reported year remains an estimate. No demonstrated military connection establishes the date or cause of death.Family and memorial material; exact death unresolved. |
Explore the Records
Deeds establish named parties and places; census schedules describe households; later recollections preserve family knowledge. Read together, they clarify Archibald’s family without making every surviving claim equally certain.
Rachel in the 1815 Deed & Nancy in Family History
The 29 June 1815 deed names Archibald Guthery and Rachel his wife, of Franklin, Indiana Territory, conveying their 83-acre Ohio tract to William Guthery. Rachel was living and married to Archibald at that date. The deed does not give her maiden name.
Lydia Guthery Peters’s account, dated here to April 1872, names Nancy Phillips. Later family history also reports Rachel Hudson. The working roster retains the family account’s attribution of the children to Nancy, with explicit qualification.
These statements do not yet establish the sequence or dates of both marriages. The children’s birth years alone cannot resolve their maternity, and the deed does not justify automatically moving them from Nancy to Rachel.
Recorded deed A:14, supplied image 008330634_00153.jpg; Lydia Peters’s account preserved in later typed copies and family-history material.
The 1820 Household & Lydia Fread’s Marriage Records
The reviewed 1820 census row has males under 10: one; aged 10–15: one; aged 16–25: two; aged 45 or older: two. It has two females aged 10–15 and one aged 26–44. The supplementary male 16–18 column is blank. The total is nine, but these categories do not name the household members or establish their relationships.
For Lydia Guthery and John Fred, an index distinguishes a 23 April 1812 license from a 26 April 1812 marriage in Franklin County. Other entries point to 17 August 1829 in Bartholomew County and a possible 1840 Brown County record.
The underlying instruments and couple identities remain unresolved. Repeated indexes from the same film are not independent confirmations, and the competing entries should not be presented as several established marriages.
The Indiana Estates & Cemetery Recollections
Published estate extracts place Eli as administrator of Corbley’s estate on 26 June 1835. David Grove was appointed for Eli’s estate on 19 May 1838, with final settlement on 16 May 1846. These are transcriptions, not original probate images inspected for this page.
The November 1881 newspaper letter also identifies Mary Groves as Eli’s sister and Thomas S. Jones as his brother-in-law. Such recollections help connect the households but do not supply Archibald’s exact death date.
The correspondent, Smith D. Jones, described himself as 64 in 1881. He should not be confused with Matilda’s son of the same name, who was born about 1845.
Probate Order Book B1, pp. 76 and 338; Book E, p. 66. Daily Evening Democrat, Columbus, Indiana, 28 September and 1 November 1881; newspaper transcriptions.
Military Service — An Unresolved Identification
A War of 1812 service index names Archibald Guthery, a private in Colonel McFarland’s Detachment of the Indiana Militia. The indexed name is a lead; the full file and identifying details are needed before assigning this service conclusively to John and Lydia’s son.
The separate Black Hawk War annotation is unproved. It should not be presented as established service or as Archibald’s cause of death, nor should the War of 1812 entry be relabeled as evidence for that later conflict.
War of 1812 service index, roll box 87, National Archives microfilm M602; indexed entry reviewed.
A separate civil-order abstract dated 8 March 1825 names Archibald Guthrey in an indictment for dueling (Book A, p. 84). The original entry, identity, and disposition require verification; an indictment is not a conviction.
DNA Participation
No Y-DNA, Big-Y, or autosomal participant is currently recorded for this Archibald’s descendant lines in the reviewed project information. His placement in John and Lydia’s family follows the documentary research; results from other relatives are discussed in the Family Hub.
| Child’s Line | Y-DNA | Big-Y | Autosomal |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lydia Guthery | N/A through a daughter | N/A through a daughter | Not recorded |
| Corbley Guthery | Not recorded | Not recorded | Not recorded |
| Mary Guthery | N/A through a daughter | N/A through a daughter | Not recorded |
| Eli Guthery | Not recorded | Not recorded | Not recorded |
| Matilda Guthery | N/A through a daughter | N/A through a daughter | Not recorded |
Neither Corbley nor Eli has an identified descendant line in the material reviewed. This is a research limitation, not proof that neither had children. A documented, uninterrupted father-to-son line would be needed for a descendant to carry Archibald’s Y chromosome.
A daughter does not transmit her father’s Y chromosome. “Not recorded” describes the available project information, not proof that no descendant has tested. Autosomal comparisons at this depth require documented lineages and careful evaluation.
Sources & Further Reading
- John Guthery–Lydia Baldwin family Bible record, including Archibald’s birth, 20 January 1774.
- Recorded Ohio deeds: John Guthery and Lydia to Archibald, 21 October 1806, volume 1, p. 90; Archibald and Rachel to William, 29 June 1815, A:14, supplied image 008330634_00153.jpg.
- Ohio tax-list indexes, 1808–1810; 1820 U.S. census, Whitewater, Franklin County, Indiana, original household row; 1830 census index, “Archibald Cuthus,” Bartholomew County.
- Lydia Guthery Peters’s account, April 1872, preserved in later typed copies, including Wyoming State Archives, WPA Federal Writers Project, WPA Bio 385. The typed copies are the sources examined, not the original newspaper issue.
- Mary Sibyl Gray May, The History of Lieutenant-Colonel John Guthery of Greene County Pennsylvania and of Allied Families (1956), for the later family-history account.
- Howard L. Leckey, The Tenmile Country and Its Pioneer Families, cited in the existing family history for the Hudson connection; the specific passage and underlying evidence still require verification. The Rev. John Corbley historical marker page provides local context, but does not establish why Corbley Guthery received his name or prove a relationship.
- Indiana marriage indexes for Lydia Guthery–John Fred, Mary Guthery–David Grove, Eli Guthery–Amanda Cochran, and Matilda Guthrey–Thomas S. Jones; and later census material for the Fread, Grove, and Jones households.
- Probate transcriptions: Bartholomew County Order Book B1, pp. 76, 338; Book E, p. 66. Newspaper transcriptions: Daily Evening Democrat, Columbus, Indiana, 28 September and 1 November 1881.
- War of 1812 service index, Archibald Guthery, Colonel McFarland’s Detachment, Indiana Militia; M602, roll box 87. Identity remains to be correlated.
- Civil Order Book A, p. 84, 8 March 1825; abstracted indictment, retained as an unverified identity and case-outcome lead.
- Cemetery and memorial indexes for Archibald, Corbley, Eli, and Mary Grove; treated as derived sources rather than independent proof of every attached relationship or date.
- Archibald in the Guthrie Research Tree and the John Guthery & Lydia Baldwin Family Hub.
Most Wanted Documents
- Nancy and Rachel: marriage, church, probate, or family records clarifying the marriage sequence, Rachel’s Hudson identification, and each child’s mother.
- Archibald’s final years: an estate file, burial record, or dated family paper that establishes his death more closely than the current estimate.
- The Indiana land and estates: original instruments connecting Archibald, Corbley, Eli, and the family burial ground.
- Lydia and John Fread: the original marriage instruments behind the competing indexes and records resolving the children’s identities and dates.
- The Grove and Jones families: evidence resolving the William/John Grove entries and Matilda’s death, together with records documenting the next generations.
- Military identification: the full service file or related pension, bounty-land, or family evidence connecting the indexed Archibald to this household.
Help Build the Family Story
Archibald’s story continues through the families who settled in Indiana and carried their records into later generations. A marriage return, an estate paper, or a labeled family keepsake may clarify a relationship that a census index leaves uncertain.
If you descend from the Fread, Grove, Jones, or another connected family, please share the sources behind your lineage. Records identifying Nancy, Rachel, or the children’s parents would be especially valuable.