GFG10
Guthrie Genealogy
Guthrie Family Group 10
Bulls Gap · Hawkins & Greene Counties · East Tennessee
A known adoption into the Guthries of Bulls Gap. An unidentified birth family. A close Perry DNA connection. Follow Andrew S Guthrie’s story and help discover the generations behind it.
Open the GFG10 Research Tree →How GFG10 connects with GFG3A
GFG10 received its number before the project’s subgroup system developed. It retains that familiar designation, with a clear cross-reference to Andrew’s adoptive family in GFG3A. The tested Guthrie–Rader descendants have a different Y-DNA profile from the established GFG3A paternal line. Their adoptive family history remains part of the Guthrie story.
Origin Theories
A short family account and a small circle of Y-DNA matches offer several leads. These questions remain open to new records, family knowledge, and DNA evidence.
Family account · Tennessee to Mississippi
The Father Who Went to Mississippi
Goodspeed’s biographical sketch of Andrew’s son, Lewis W Guthrie, reports that Andrew’s father left him with relatives during childhood and went to Mississippi. It does not name either birth parent or the relatives.
Where did his father settle? Did he leave an estate, another family, or correspondence referring to the child who remained in Tennessee?
Help investigate: connect East Tennessee households with Mississippi land, probate, and family records. An identified county or relative could make this search much more focused.
What the account leaves unanswered
The account gives no departure date and says nothing about Andrew’s mother. The suggestion that she had died is a theory requiring evidence.
It also does not tell us whether Andrew already carried the Guthrie surname. Keep that question open when looking for his father.
Kinship question · The adoptive household
Related Through Which Side?
The reference to relatives invites a closer look at both James Guthrie’s family and Isabella Carmichael’s connections. Was Andrew related through his mother, his father, or another part of this extended household?
His biological father could also have used the Guthrie surname while belonging to a different paternal line. The surname and the Y-DNA each need their own evidence.
Help investigate: trace sisters, daughters, marriages, guardianships, and estate beneficiaries around James and Isabella. Women’s family connections may be especially useful here.
Follow James & Isabella’s records
Isabella was born a Carmichael and was the widow of Alexander Trotter when she married James Guthrie in 1798. Her Trotter children belong in the household investigation too.
James’s will, written in 1822 and recorded in 1829, names family members but does not name Andrew. That omission leaves a question; it does not identify Andrew’s parents or explain the adoption.
Close Y-DNA connection · Perry
Where Does the Perry Line Meet Ours?
Perry kit 782431 closely matches both tested Guthrie–Rader descendants. Its reported paternal ancestry reaches Ernest Perry, born in 1893 at Leeds, South Carolina, and died in 1944 in Washington, D.C.
Tracing Ernest’s father and earlier paternal generations could uncover the connection. The match does not yet tell us when the lines separated or which surname their shared ancestor used.
Help investigate: extend the documented Perry line and compare places, relatives, and migration routes with the Tennessee family and the Mississippi clue.
Wider Y-DNA clues · Earlier origins
Cameron, Campbell & MacDonald
The match lists also include these surnames. Among the reported ancestral leads are Cameron families of Islandmagee and Bentra, County Antrim, and a Campbell family of Davidson County, Tennessee.
These are places and families to compare, rather than established origins for Andrew. The connection may belong to an earlier period than surviving family records can reach.
Help investigate: combine documented paternal trees with more detailed Y-DNA comparisons. A familiar surname alone cannot select Andrew’s birth family.
Most Wanted Documents
- Andrew’s childhood: guardianship, apprenticeship, court, church, or family records naming a parent, guardian, or relative.
- The Mississippi connection: a departure date, destination, deed, will, or letter linking his father with the Tennessee household.
- The extended adoptive family: records connecting Andrew with the Guthrie, Carmichael, or Trotter relatives.
- The earlier Perry line: original records establishing Ernest Perry’s parents and successive paternal generations.
- Andrew’s final years: probate, cemetery, and census evidence to reconcile the conflicting death dates in family accounts.
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Explore the Family
Begin with the Guthrie–Rader family, then follow the connected Perry research. The precise relationship between these paternal lines remains to be discovered.
Branch A · Guthrie–Rader
Andrew S Guthrie & Isabella Rader
Bulls Gap and the Hawkins–Greene County area, Tennessee
Andrew, born in 1801, married Isabella in Greene County on 11 September 1832. Their family provides the starting point for GFG10 research.
Explore their children, household records, marriages, and descendants on the branch page.
Explore Andrew & Isabella’s family →
Open the children’s names
- James Guthrie
- Lewis William Guthrie
- Mary A Guthrie
- Emaline Guthrie
- John Alexander Guthrie
- Lana / Laney Jane Guthrie
- Andrew Guthrie
- Joseph K Guthrie
- Malinda Ann Guthrie
- Nancy Isabel Guthrie
Connected paternal line · Perry
The Ernest Perry Line
Leeds, South Carolina · Washington, D.C.
Kit 782431 adds a second surname and a different family trail to the investigation. Its close Y-DNA relationship with the Guthrie testers makes extending this line a particular research priority.
The connection’s place in the family tree is still open. Ernest’s descendants are not being assigned as descendants of Andrew on the strength of this match.
Compare the Guthrie & Perry results →
Help build the Perry connection
Share a sourced paternal line, including dates, locations, spouses, and records identifying each father. Earlier Perry relatives and another independently documented male-line descendant could help both the family research and the DNA comparison.
A few details to check before copying a pedigree
Two Isabellas: Andrew’s adoptive mother was Isabella Carmichael, formerly Trotter. His wife was Isabella Rader. Keep their records and families separate.
Andrew’s death: the Goodspeed transcription gives 3 August 1867; the family research also uses 1869 and reports a possible 1870 census appearance. These references need reconciliation before an exact date is treated as settled.
The earlier Guthrie generations: research distinguishes Francis Guthrie Sr. from Francis Jr. and reconsiders the placement of the Tennessee family. Follow The Forgotten Sons and the GFG3A hub for that investigation.
DNA Findings & Testing Priorities
The comparisons below use the three match-list exports reviewed on 1 October 2026. They show a close Guthrie–Perry relationship and several wider paternal leads.
| Kits compared | Genetic distance |
|---|---|
| Guthrie 215380 & Guthrie 209209 | 1 step |
| Guthrie 209209 & Perry 782431 | 1 step |
| Guthrie 215380 & Perry 782431 | 2 steps |
These close results make the Perry line a strong lead for further comparison. The step count does not name an ancestor, fix the number of generations, or show which family first used a particular surname.
The key comparison still missing
Both Guthrie testers descend through John Alexander Guthrie, a son of Andrew and Isabella. Kit 215380 follows his family with Elender “Ellen” Moore; kit 209209 follows his family with Susan Catherine Francerali Walker.
Their agreement supports John Alexander’s paternal profile. A direct male-line descendant of another son of Andrew and Isabella would help establish whether that same profile extends back to Andrew. This matters when evaluating whether the genetic difference from GFG3A belongs at Andrew’s adoption or at a later generation.
STR matches · Other surnames
A Small Circle of Useful Leads
A Cameron match appears in all three exports: at 4 steps from kit 215380, 3 steps from kit 209209, and 2 steps from Perry kit 782431.
Additional Cameron, Campbell, and MacDonald matches occur at greater distances. Their paternal trees may help reveal where the lines meet.
Open the match-list counts
- 215380 — 6 records: 1 Guthrie, 1 Perry, 3 Cameron, and 1 Campbell.
- 209209 — 9 records: 1 Guthrie, 1 Perry, 4 Cameron, 2 Campbell, and 1 MacDonald.
- 782431 — 7 records: 2 Guthrie, 4 Cameron, and 1 Campbell.
These lists overlap. They should not be added together as a count of different people, and they describe the supplied exports rather than every possible match at every marker level.
More detailed comparisons · Big Y
Existing Big-Y Results to Compare With
Several matches have already taken Big Y: 3 appear in kit 215380’s list, 6 in kit 209209’s, and 4 in the Perry list. All three lists include the same three Big-Y-tested matches.
Their reported haplogroups include I-FTA62784, I-Y94500, and I-FT59483. These provide specific comparison targets for a coordinated Guthrie–Perry upgrade.
What those haplogroup labels tell us
The Guthrie entries in these exports display I-M170; the Perry entry displays I-L1450. These are the labels shown for those kits, not a new terminal-haplogroup assignment for all of GFG10.
A match’s more detailed haplogroup cannot automatically be assigned to an untested relative. Each participant needs the relevant SNP evidence to establish his own branch of the Y-DNA tree.
A Big-Y-tested person appearing on a Y67 match list is still being compared at 67 markers in that view. These files do not provide a Big-Y SNP comparison between the Guthrie and Perry kits.
Who Could Move This Research Forward?
- A descendant through another son of Andrew & Isabella. A father-to-son line through Lewis William, Andrew, or Joseph K Guthrie would supply the independent comparison currently missing.
- A direct male-line descendant of James G Guthrie & Mary Ann Simpson. This son of James W Guthrie and Isabella Carmichael would represent the adoptive household’s biological paternal line, which still needs its own Y-DNA comparison.
- Coordinated Guthrie and Perry upgrades. Big-Y testing of a representative from each line could clarify their shared branch and distinguish their relationship from the wider Cameron, Campbell, and MacDonald connections.
Contact Ann before ordering so we can match the test to the research question and your budget. New participants can begin with an appropriate Y-DNA test; Big Y is a targeted upgrade opportunity for this investigation.
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Understanding the comparisons
Genetic distance measures differences in the STR marker values being compared. Always read it alongside the marker level. A step is not a fixed number of generations.
Different surnames can share a paternal ancestor. Finding that ancestor requires both DNA evidence and family research; a match alone cannot identify the timing or circumstances of a surname change.
Big Y examines additional Y-chromosome variation, including SNPs used to define branches of the paternal tree. It can refine this investigation, but documents are still needed to connect the named families.
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Every Descendant Can Contribute
Share your line from yourself back to your earliest proven Guthrie ancestor, with dates, spouses, and sources where available. This helps verify connections and develop the Guthrie Research Tree.
Autosomal matches, family photographs, letters, and local knowledge can all add useful clues. If you test autosomal DNA, compare the connected trees, organize your findings, and bring questions when you need help. DNA testing is not required to take part in Guthrie Genealogy.
Related Research
The Goodspeed Family Account
Read the transcription of Lewis W Guthrie’s biographical sketch and its brief account of his father’s childhood.
Read the account →James Guthrie & Isabella Carmichael
Explore Andrew’s adoptive household and the land, will, and family records gathered for this East Tennessee line.
Explore the household →The Forgotten Sons
Follow the investigation into missing generations and the proposed place of the Tennessee family in the earlier Guthrie pedigree.
Follow the investigation →Guthrie Family Group 3A
Continue into the wider family associated with Andrew’s adoption, its branches, origin theories, and continuing DNA research.
Explore GFG3A →
My paternal grandfather was William Nelson Guthrie; born 24 Jun 1866 in Bulls Gap, Hawkins County, Tennessee; died 16 Sep 1939, Johnson city, Washington County Tennessee; buried in Guthrie Cemetery, Bulls Gap, Tennessee ( https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156029080/william-nelson-guthrie )