3B-2: John Guthrie
Guthrie Family Group 3 · Branch B
John Guthrie
Isabella Tennant & Janet Lenox
Mauchline, Ayrshire · Turnberry, Kirkoswald · Glasgow
John, son of William Guthrie and Ann Hunter, was born on 10 February 1790 and baptized at Mauchline five days later. He is provisionally identified with Captain John Guthrie of Turnberry Lodge. This page brings together the captain’s family and records while retaining that identification as a question requiring a direct documentary link.
The Family at a Glance
John Guthrie · 1790–1834
- Parents of the Mauchline child
- William Guthrie and Ann Hunter.
- Birth / baptism
- 10 / 15 February 1790.
- Proposed adult identity
- Captain John Guthrie, Royal East Middlesex Militia, later at Turnberry Lodge.
- Death
- 24 January 1834 in the memorial evidence; other reported dates are discussed below.
- Parish register
- Entry dated 29 January 1834, probably burial.
Isabella Tennant · 1793–1878
- Parents
- John Tennant and Margaret Colville.
- Birth
- 17 May 1793, Ochiltree.
- Marriage
- 27 April 1819 at Girvan Mains; Girvan and Kirkoswald records.
- Children
- Isabella, Margaret and Ann Hunter Guthrie.
- Death
- 15 June 1878 at 13 Fitzroy Place, Glasgow.
Janet Lenox
The Kirkoswald record names Janet Lenox in connection with John Guthrie, born 26 April 1819 at Affee and baptized at Torthorwald on 20 July. Her parents, later life and any marriage to Captain John are not established here. The child’s birth immediately preceded John’s marriage to Isabella Tennant; the two maternal lines must be kept separate.
| Child | Birth / Baptism | Marriage & Later Life |
|---|---|---|
| John Guthrie · Janet Lenox’s son | Born 26 April 1819 at Affee; baptized 20 July at Torthorwald | Recorded in the Kirkoswald material; later life not established. |
| Isabella Guthrie · Isabella Tennant’s daughter | 21 October 1819, Turnberry | Married George Smith, 23 October 1849; died 10 January 1866, Glasgow. Six children. |
| Margaret Guthrie | 19 April 1821, Turnberry | Died 17 June 1834. Her recorded birth implies age thirteen; the stone’s age is twelve. |
| Ann Hunter Guthrie | 29 January 1823, Turnberry | Married David Murray, 1 June 1841; died 3 March 1901, Kelvin. Two sons. |
Isabella Guthrie & George Smith · their family
Isabella married George Smith, a writer, at Turnberry Lodge on 23 October 1849, following proclamation on 21 October. She died of tuberculosis at 21 Elmbank Place, Glasgow, on 10 January 1866. George died there on 29 September 1871. The 1861 household included Isabella’s mother, her nephew David Murray and a visiting Agnes Tennant.
Their children carried the family into law, diplomacy, teaching and overseas households.
- John Guthrie Smith (about 1851–1923), married Elizabeth Orr Rennie; children.
- Isabella “Ella” Tennant Smith (about 1853–after 1891), married Avidis Garboushian; no children documented in the reviewed family account.
- Catherine “Kate” McGee Smith (1853–1936), married Charles T. B. Cowan; children.
- Ann / Ana M. Smith (1855–after 1926), married Juan Oyarzabal y Bucelli; children; later in the United States.
- George Alexander Smith (1857–1927), married Helen Isabel “Nell” Vandy; children; New Zealand.
- Agnes Jessie Tennant Smith (1859–1958), unmarried.
Ann Hunter Guthrie & David Murray · their family
Ann married the Glasgow lawyer David Murray on 1 June 1841. The conflicting given name in the Kirkoswald entry is reconciled by the Gorbals marriage record and their son’s baptism, which identify David. Murray worked in the partnerships Murray & Galloway and Murray & Smith. He died of typhus in 1848, after which Ann returned with her children to Turnberry.
Their sons were David Murray (born 15 April 1842, baptized 18 May; died 2 October 1928), the solicitor and collector who married Frances Porter Stoddard, and John Guthrie Murray (about 1847–19 May 1924), an engineer who married Mary Rowan and settled in Australia. Both had children. Ann died on 3 March 1901. James Hamilton’s study of David Murray’s legal archive supplies useful context for the younger David’s professional and collecting life.
Guthrie DNA Project Participation
| Family line | Y-DNA | Big Y | Autosomal |
|---|---|---|---|
| Janet Lenox’s son John | — | — | — |
| Isabella Guthrie’s Smith line | N/A | N/A | — |
| Margaret Guthrie | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| Ann Hunter Guthrie’s Murray line | N/A | N/A | — |
✓ = participation documented for this line and test; — = none documented in the reviewed project material; N/A = no applicable direct paternal line or no known descendants. A dash does not mean that no descendant has ever tested.
Historical Highlights
The Turnberry records describe a captain who also farmed, participated in the local community and left a family whose papers reach well beyond Ayrshire. Charles Rogers’s Book of Robert Burns places him in the Royal East Middlesex Militia through the Tennant family history. That identification does not establish a particular campaign or service at Waterloo.
A September 1822 newspaper account credits Mr. Guthrie of Turnberry with arranging help after the sloop Lord Dundas struck the rocks. He sent for a fishing boat, assisted the crew after landing and helped secure wreckage. The fishermen and a Turnberry farm servant carried out the rescue of the six men.
Family Timeline
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1790
Birth and baptism of William and Ann’s son at Mauchline.
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April 1819
Janet Lenox’s son born on the 26th; marriage to Isabella Tennant on the 27th.
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1819–1823
Births of Isabella, Margaret and Ann Hunter Guthrie.
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September 1822
Turnberry shipwreck and rescue reported in the Glasgow Sentinel.
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January 1834
Captain John died; the Kirkoswald entry is dated 29 January.
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1839
David Ross’s account claim against Isabella reached the Court of Session.
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1878–1879
Isabella died in Glasgow; her estate was confirmed in 1879.
The 1839 court case and the conflicting death dates
David Ross v. Mrs Isobel or Isabella Tennent or Guthrie, reported on 12 November 1839, concerned a tradesman’s account for work and materials supplied to the Turnberry farm. It identifies Isabella as the widow and executrix and records discussion of payments in money and produce. It supplies household and estate context, not John’s parents.
The report contains a death-date inconsistency of its own: a narrative passage says 25 February 1834, while the widow’s reported deposition says 25 January 1834. The memorial evidence gives 24 January. The directly reviewed Kirkoswald entry is dated 29 January and describes Captain John from Turnberry Lodge as a middle-aged man, without an explicit “buried” statement. The page retains 24 January as the memorial date, treats 29 January as the register date, probably burial, and records the court report’s conflicting readings rather than harmonizing them silently.
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DNA & the Family Line
No test participation is assigned to these lines in the reviewed branch record. A proven descendant and a documented connection to the Mauchline child would be needed before DNA evidence could resolve the captain’s placement.
Participation summary based on the reviewed branch material, 6 November 2026. Current kit levels and SNP placements require the project’s current results; no new test is inferred from a haplogroup label.
Identity, ages and the memorial
The proposed connection rests on family reconstruction, names and geography. Neither the captain’s memorial nor the 1834 parish entry names his parents. They therefore do not directly prove that he was William and Ann’s son.
The memorial index estimates a birth in 1789 from an age of 45. For the Mauchline child, the 1790 birth and baptism take precedence over that calculation. Daughter Margaret’s stone age of twelve also disagrees with her recorded 19 April 1821 birth and 17 June 1834 death. These age differences remain visible evidence issues.
Isabella Tennant’s will and estate
The legacy probate transcription records confirmation on 18 April 1879, an estate of £3,393 3s., a will dated 13 September 1876 and recording on 8 April 1879. The named executors include daughter Ann Hunter Guthrie or Murray, grandson David Murray and grandson John Guthrie Smith. Relevant Glasgow records are SC36/51/77 (will) and SC36/48/88 (inventory). The linked death notice is dated 17 June 1878; the legacy link label’s 1879 is a typographical error.
Reading & Sources
The records below distinguish original entries, attributed transcriptions and later accounts. Linked repositories may require an account or subscription. A link is a locator, not a claim that every underlying image has been independently examined.
- Mauchline birth/baptism: John, 10 and 15 February 1790, son of William Guthrie and Ann Hunter.
- Kirkoswald OPR deaths, 601/40/174, manuscript p. 85: Captain John Guthree, entry 29 January 1834; original directly reviewed.
- Kirkoswald OPR: John, son of Janet Lenox, born 26 April and baptized 20 July 1819; Isabella’s entry, display pp. 431–432; Margaret, p. 9/346; Ann Hunter, p. 20/346.
- Isabella Guthrie–George Smith marriage: Barony 622, p. 11/573; proclamation 21 October, marriage 23 October 1849.
- Ann Hunter Guthrie–David Murray marriage: Gorbals 644/2, p. 293; son David’s baptism, Barony 622, p. 342.
- Charles Rogers, The Book of Robert Burns (1890), p. 272, Tennant pedigree, with assistance acknowledged from Dr. David Murray.
- Glasgow Sentinel, 18 September 1822, p. 6; Glasgow Chronicle, 31 October 1849, p. 8; North British Daily Mail, 17 June 1878, p. 1.
- Reports of Cases Decided in the Supreme Courts of Scotland, 12 November 1839, pp. 160–161, David Ross v. Mrs Isobel or Isabella Tennent or Guthrie; page images reviewed.
- Captain John and Margaret Guthrie memorials, Kirkoswald Kirkyard, Find a Grave 185089534 and 185089559.
Research links
- Guthrie Research Tree · John Guthrie · 1790–1834
- Royal East Middlesex Militia
- Torthorwald
- Kirkoswald Kirkyard
- David Murray and his lost legal archive
- David Murray (solicitor)
- Scotland, National Probate Index – 1879 (Calendar of Confirmations and Inventories)
- Legal Records – Wills and Testaments
- 185089534 for John
- The Book of Robert Burns: Genealogical and Historical Memoirs of the Poet, His Associates and Those Celebrated in His Writings
- Glasgow Sentinel – Wednesday 18 September 1822
- Glasgow Chronicle – Wednesday 31 October 1849
- North British Daily Mail, 17 June 1878 · Isabella’s death notice
- Reports of Cases Decided in the Supreme Courts of Scotland and in the House of Lords on Appeal from Scotland.
Most Wanted Documents
| Record to verify | Why it matters |
|---|---|
| Direct parental identification | A commission, service file, marriage paper, will or family letter explicitly naming the captain’s father or siblings is the highest-value missing record. |
| Contemporary death notice | An original January 1834 notice could help adjudicate 24 versus 25 January and the erroneous February wording in the court report. |
| Janet Lenox’s son | Trace John born in April 1819 through later parish, census or estate evidence; do not assign a later John by name alone. |
The Branch B hub explains the project’s provisionally accepted earlier generations and the wider DNA comparison.
Continue the Family’s Story
The Turnberry family’s records preserve both a public life and a substantial network of descendants. Their place in Branch B remains a carefully stated identification, with the missing parental link kept in view.
Researched & Curated by Ann Guthrie
