O: Ahiel Guthrie & Diantha Bullock

Interpretive illustration of a log schoolhouse, teacher and pupils in rural Wayne County, New York.

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Ahiel Guthrie & Diantha Bullock

Massachusetts · Montgomery & Wayne Counties, New York

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Ahiel Guthrie and Diantha Bullock built their family in New York, moving from the Canajoharie area to the communities of Sodus, Williamson and Huron. Ahiel worked as a schoolteacher and farmer. Five children are identified: Sophronia, Caroline, Matilda, William Goodwill and Reuben.

Their story survives in census households, land transactions, family recollections and local histories. Ahiel’s own beginnings remain uncertain. A reported childhood placement in Connecticut and a possible connection to the Goodwill family provide research leads, but his parents have not been established.

A direct paternal descendant through William Goodwill Guthrie matches the Y-DNA profile of Guthrie Family Group 2A. This genetic connection provides a foundation for investigating the family’s earlier ancestry.

The Family at a Glance

Ahiel Guthrie

Birth
About 1789, Massachusetts; Longmeadow is the reported birthplace. Census ages suggest a later birth.
Parents
Unidentified. The proposed Goodwill connection and reported 1793 adoption remain unverified.
Occupation
Schoolteacher and farmer.
Marriage
Diantha Bullock in 1818; reported as 14 March at Canajoharie, Montgomery County, New York.
Death
March 1851, Huron, Wayne County, New York. Sources differ between 6 and 7 March.
Burial
Huron Evergreen Cemetery, Wayne County, New York.

Diantha Bullock

Birth
About 1784, New York; reported as 21 December 1784 in Dutchess County. Her recorded ages vary.
Parents
Reported as Reuben Bullock and Anna Bockes; the underlying family evidence remains to be verified.
Family
Three daughters and two sons are identified with Ahiel.
Marriage
Ahiel Guthrie in 1818. The 1895 family biography calls her Diantha Bockas Bullock.
Death
30 January 1873, Huron, Wayne County, New York.
Burial
Huron Evergreen Cemetery, Wayne County, New York.

Their Five Children

Open a child’s page for the fuller family account. Some exact dates survive as reported family data without an identified original record.
Child PageBirthMarriage & Later Life
Sophronia Guthrie Reported 27 July 1819, Canajoharie, New York. Died in childhood, reportedly 1 August 1830 at Williamson. Her burial and cause of death are unknown.
Caroline J. Guthrie Reported 24 March 1821, Canajoharie, New York. Married Amasa Noah Jones, reported 30 August 1838; two children, Judson and Josefa/Josie. Later married Stephen Dowd, about 1859. Died 15 March 1903.
Matilda B. Guthrie 10 February 1823, Sodus, New York, according to the 1895 family biography. Married John Pierce before 1846. Their children were Matilda B., Eugene Herbert and Lyman C. Died 10 May 1876, according to the family chronology.
William Goodwill Guthrie 15 April 1825, New York; probably the Sodus area. Married Sarah Roberts about 1847; seven children. A farmer recorded in Huron, Rose and Lyons. Died 15 August 1892.
Reuben Guthrie Reported 4 September 1829, Williamson, New York. Died just over a year old, reportedly 27 September 1830. His burial and cause of death are unknown.
Family dates and relationships that need care

The exact dates for Sophronia and Reuben have not yet been traced to an original family, church or civil record. Their deaths occurred in the same year, but no evidence establishes a shared illness.

Caroline’s death is placed on 15 March 1903. Her obituary, published on Friday 20 March, says she died Sunday; that agrees with her memorial entry and differs from the 19 March date found in some family accounts.

Matilda’s birth year is 1823. Her son Eugene’s biography gives 10 February 1823. The will attributed to her was written in 1875 and entered probate in 1879; neither date should replace her reported 1876 death.

The younger Ahiel Eugene Guthrie (1894–1960) was a son of James Reuben and Carrie Guthrie, making him the founding couple’s great-grandson. He should not be added to their children.

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Historical Highlights

Illustrated schoolmaster’s desk with books, slate, quill and satchel.

A schoolmaster’s place in the community

Wayne County’s histories remember Ahiel among its early schoolteachers. Landmarks of Wayne County reports that he taught for five years and at one time had 106 scholars on his roll. His work belonged to a community in which a school building could also provide space for religious gatherings.

The family also depended on the land. Deeds trace purchases and sales in Sodus, Williamson and Port Bay, while the 1850 census records both Ahiel and his son William as farmers. The Pierce grandchildren carried the teaching tradition forward: Matilda was recorded as a schoolteacher in 1870, and the later family biography described Lyman as a teacher.

These records give the family a place in the history of their communities even while Ahiel’s own parentage remains unresolved.

Open the school-history sources

George W. Cowles, Landmarks of Wayne County, New York (1895), pp. 364–365, distinguishes a school at Jessup’s Corners in 1806 from a log school built in 1810, later enlarged. Ahiel’s five-year tenure and the roll of 106 pupils are described in this account. The passage does not supply exact years for his employment.

The 1877 county history, p. 63, also remembers him as an early instructor. A retrospective article in The Newark Union, 7 September 1907, p. 2, repeats the teaching tradition. These later accounts should be compared rather than merged into a precise building or employment chronology.

Landmarks of Wayne County · History of Wayne County, 1789–1877.

Family Timeline

  1. 1818–1820

    A marriage and a young family in Montgomery County. Ahiel and Diantha married in 1818; Sophronia’s reported birth followed in 1819.

    Open the marriage account & possible 1820 household

    The Eugene Herbert Pierce biography in Landmarks of Wayne County (1895), Part III, p. 92, gives the marriage year as 1818. The more precise date of 14 March and the Canajoharie location are reported family data awaiting an original marriage entry.

    The possible 1820 Canajoharie household is indexed as Hill Gardenier. It contains a man and woman aged 26–44 and a girl under ten. That composition fits the young family, but the faint handwriting has not established the identification.

    1820 census candidate image; Canajoharie, Montgomery County, New York.

  2. 1821–1829

    Land in Sodus, followed by residence in Williamson. The deed sequence helps follow the family westward.

    Open the land transactions & family chronology

    An abstract of the 1 June 1821 deed describes Ahiel as of Canajoharie when he purchased 49½ acres in Sodus from Benjamin Joy, acting through attorney David Hudson, for $374. The tract was part of lot 85, township 13, first range, then in Ontario County.

    Matilda’s 1895 family biography places her birth in Sodus in February 1823. By the 8 June 1829 sale of the Sodus tract to Isaac Stansell for $700, the deed abstract identifies Ahiel and Diantha as residents of Williamson. Reuben’s reported birth followed there in September.

    Deed Book 14, p. 69; Deed Book 13, p. 514. These descriptions follow the collected abstracts; the full deeds remain available for comparison.

  3. 1830

    Two children died young. Sophronia’s reported August death was followed by Reuben’s in September.

    Open the census household & the unresolved omission

    The Williamson census records one male under five, one male aged five to nine, one male aged thirty to thirty-nine, two females aged five to nine and one female aged forty to forty-nine. These categories fit Ahiel, Diantha, Caroline, Matilda, William and Reuben. Sophronia is not identifiable in her expected age category.

    The official census reference date was 1 June 1830. Her omission therefore cannot be explained simply by assuming the enumerator arrived after her reported August death. It remains a question to investigate.

    1830 U.S. census, Williamson, Wayne County, Ahiel Guthrie household; National Archives: 1830 census date and instructions.

  4. 1830–1833

    Further purchases and sales preceded a move toward Huron. Ahiel acquired land described as being in Port Bay in 1833.

    Open the Williamson & Port Bay deed sequence
    • 15 January 1830: Ahiel and Diantha conveyed forty acres in Williamson to Cephas Moody for $500; Book 8, p. 117. A separate conveyance that day from Cephas and Sally E. Moody to Ahiel describes 50 acres and 60/100 of an acre; Book 13, p. 33.
    • 27 March 1833: fourteen acres conveyed to John F. Snow for $225; Book 13, p. 300.
    • 15 May 1833: land conveyed to Seth Tucker for $900; Book 13, p. 34. Collected abstracts differ between 50.60 and 50.06 acres, requiring comparison with the original.
    • 8 November 1833: Isaac and Ann Wilkins conveyed lot 100 in Port Bay, described as 103.35 acres, to Ahiel for $826.80; Book 18, p. 478.

    Original locators: Book 8, p. 117 · Book 13, pp. 33–34 · Book 13, p. 300 · Book 18, p. 478.

  5. 1840

    The household was enumerated in Huron. An additional young girl remains unidentified.

    Open the census household & its limits

    The household contains a man aged 40–49, a woman aged 50–59, a girl aged 15–19, a boy aged 10–14 and a girl aged 5–9. Ahiel, Diantha, Matilda and William fit four of these entries.

    The younger girl has not been identified. A household member need not be a child of its head, so this entry alone does not establish a sixth Guthrie child.

    1840 U.S. census, Huron, Wayne County, New York, Ahiel Guthrie household.

  6. 1850

    Three generations shared the Huron home. Ahiel and William were both recorded as farmers.

    Open the census household & source

    The enumeration dated 6 September 1850, dwelling and family 241, lists Ahiel Guthrie, 57, born Massachusetts; Diantha, 61, born New York; William G., 25; Sarah, 25; and Caroline, 2. Ahiel’s real estate was valued at $3,500.

    Sarah’s birthplace is recorded here as New York, although other evidence places her birth in England. The census does not label relationships; the wider family evidence identifies William as the son, Sarah as his wife and Caroline as their daughter.

    1850 U.S. census, Huron, Wayne County, New York, household 241.

  7. 1851–1853

    Ahiel died in March 1851. Family land transactions followed two years later.

    Open the death-date question & 1853 family deeds

    Ahiel was buried at Huron Evergreen Cemetery. The collected chronology gives 6 March 1851, while the 1895 Pierce biography and memorial data give 7 March. A clearer inscription image or contemporary death record is needed to settle the day.

    The abstract of 16 February 1853, Book 58, p. 568, names William G. and Sarah Guthrie, Amasa N. and Caroline Jones, and Diantha, widow of Ahiel, conveying forty acres of lot 100 to Matilda B. Pierce, wife of John Pierce, for $1,200.

    The next abstract, Book 58, p. 569, concerns a conveyance to William and includes the conflicting name John Milne with wife Matilda. The original wording and acknowledgments need review. That discrepancy does not establish another marriage for Matilda.

    Book 58, p. 568 · Book 58, p. 569.

  8. 1860–1873

    Diantha lived with the Pierce family. She died on 30 January 1873.

    Open the 1860 & 1870 census households

    1860, Huron: John Pierce, 45, farmer, born England; Matilda B., 37; Matilda, 16; Eugene H., 10; Lyman C., 3; and Diantha Guthrie, 76. Diantha’s personal estate was valued at $400.

    1870, Huron: John Pierce, 53; Matilda, 48; Matilda, 24, schoolteacher; Eugene, 20; Lyman, 12; and Dianah Guthrie, 85, retired housekeeper, with $500 personal estate.

    The 1895 biography gives Diantha’s death as 30 January 1873, consistent with the apparent January inscription on her stone. The memorial’s separate September date conflicts with that evidence.

    1860 U.S. census, Huron, p. 281, John Pierce household; 1870 U.S. census, Huron, p. 28, John Pierce household; Cowles, Landmarks, Part III, p. 92.

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Guthrie Family Group 2A · Branch O

Y-DNA through William Goodwill Guthrie’s paternal line supports a shared paternal ancestry with GFG2A. R-M269 is the broad haplogroup reported for this branch; a more specific Big Y placement is not reported here.

The proposed closer connection to Branch F remains a hypothesis. Big Y comparisons could help refine Branch O’s position within GFG2A, while documentary research is needed to identify Ahiel’s parents.

DNA Participation by Child Line

✓ = participation documented; — = participation not documented. N/A applies to Guthrie Y-DNA through daughters, or to a child with no descendants reported.
Child LineY-DNABig YAutosomal
Sophronia N/A N/A N/A
Caroline N/A N/A —
Matilda N/A N/A —
William Goodwill ✓ — ✓
Reuben N/A N/A N/A
Representative DNA lines & what they establish

Y-DNA kit 1002095: Ahiel Guthrie and Diantha Bullock → William Goodwill Guthrie and Sarah Roberts → James Reuben Guthrie and Carrie Stophel → William John Guthrie and Grace Maude DeVol → later generations.

Autosomal kit 1012151: the recorded pedigree also descends through William Goodwill and James Reuben. Participation is therefore represented in William’s row above.

The Y-DNA match supports the paternal group assignment. Autosomal comparisons may provide additional family clues, but a descendant pedigree alone does not identify which ancestral couple contributed a particular matching segment. Neither type of evidence, as currently presented, identifies Martha Goodwill as Ahiel’s mother.

Big Y opportunities for Branch O

A Big Y upgrade in the represented paternal line could identify downstream SNPs shared with other GFG2A participants. Comparisons with well-documented Branch F lines would help assess the proposed closer relationship.

Additional father-to-son descendants through different sons of James Reuben could help distinguish variants shared across that family from those arising later in a particular line. These descendants share James Reuben as an ancestor; they do not provide separate surviving-son lines from Ahiel.

Genetic comparisons can narrow the search, but may not distinguish individual candidate fathers without informative comparison lines and supporting records. Descendants through daughters can contribute family documents and autosomal evidence.

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Ahiel’s Origins: Evidence & Open Questions

The 1793 Stafford placement story

A family report, preserved in a note crediting Cheryl Lee and an unnamed cousin, states that “Patta” Goodwill presented Ahiel for adoption at Stafford, Tolland County, Connecticut, in 1793. No original placement or court record has yet been identified.

The report does not establish who Ahiel’s biological or adoptive parents were. Even if a placement record is found, the role of the woman presenting him must be read from that document rather than assumed.

The 1895 Pierce biography says Ahiel’s parents died while he was young and that a younger sister died at five. It supplies no parental names and does not describe an adoption. These accounts remain separate pieces of evidence to reconcile.

Martha “Patty” Goodwill: a candidate, not established maternity

The Wilbraham register records Martha Goodwill, daughter of John and Hannah, born 24 November 1773. The date 6 January 1772 belongs to Nathaniel on the same handwritten page and has been misindexed under Martha’s name.

A death entry records Patty Goodwill on 28 December 1831, aged 57. Neither entry names Ahiel. Connecting this woman to the “Patta” in the placement story, and then identifying her as his mother, requires additional evidence.

Her 1831 death would have occurred when Ahiel was an adult, which also requires reconciliation with the account that his parents died during his youth. The suggestion that different biological and adoptive parents were meant is possible, but unproved.

Wilbraham birth and death register images and transcripts; birth transcript p. 37 and death transcript p. 188, reproduced in the family research collection.

The proposed Branch F connection

Earlier research proposed a connection to the family of John Guthrie and Abigail Coe, particularly the descendants of their son James Guthrie and Abigail Betts. Geographic associations in Connecticut and Massachusetts prompted consideration of men including Joseph Guthrie, J.P., Dr. Samuel Guthrie and Abel Guthrie.

These names are research leads, not an established shortlist of possible fathers. The Goodwill connection itself remains unproved, and geographic opportunity cannot identify a parent. No candidate should be inserted into Ahiel’s pedigree without a documented connection.

A closer genetic placement within GFG2A could improve the search. It would still need to be connected to named people through records.

Birth years, death dates & the two Ahiels

Ahiel’s birth: the reported grave age points to about 1788–1789, while the 1830 and 1840 age brackets and his age 57 in 1850 suggest the 1790s. The exact 7 March 1787 date appearing in trees has no identified birth record. Massachusetts is recorded in 1850; Longmeadow remains the reported locality.

Diantha’s birth and death: her later census ages support about 1784, while her 1850 age conflicts. The reported 21 December 1784 birth needs its underlying source. The 1895 biography gives 30 January 1873 as her death; the memorial’s September date conflicts with that account and the apparent inscription.

Ahiel Eugene Guthrie, born in 1894, was a great-grandson. His 1917 marriage to Blanche Ford names his parents as James Guthrie and Carrie Stophel. The lineage is Ahiel → William Goodwill → James Reuben → Ahiel Eugene. Memorial labels “Sr.” and “Jr.” do not establish a father-son relationship.

Reading & Sources

Sources for this section: family records & local histories
  • Federal censuses: the tentative 1820 Canajoharie entry; Ahiel’s 1830 Williamson, 1840 Huron and 1850 Huron households; Diantha in the Pierce households in Huron in 1860 and 1870.
  • George W. Cowles, Landmarks of Wayne County, New York (1895): pp. 364–365 for the school history; Part III, p. 92, Eugene Herbert Pierce biography, for the family relationships and recollections.
  • History of Wayne County, New York, 1789–1877: p. 63, early schoolmasters. The Newark Union, 7 September 1907, p. 2, provides a later school-history account.
  • Wilbraham vital records: Goodwill birth and death entries. These establish events in the Goodwill family, not Ahiel’s maternity.
  • Wayne County marriage register: entry 3735, Ahiel Guthrie and Blanche Ford, 20 May 1917, names James Guthrie and Carrie Stophel as his parents.
  • Matilda B. Pierce’s will: recorded will locator, reported execution 7 July 1875 and probate 8 May 1879. The complete file remains important for review.
  • Cemetery evidence: Ahiel and Diantha, Huron Evergreen Cemetery. Compare photographed inscriptions with separately entered dates and family links.

The Guthrie Research Tree assembles the family reconstruction and source leads. An index, a family recollection, a later biography and an original record each contribute differently to the evidence.

Caroline’s obituary & the March 1903 date

The Sodus Record, Friday 20 March 1903, p. 3, describes Caroline’s death on Sunday. This supports 15 March 1903. The clipping remains part of the family’s source collection.

Caroline Dowd obituary from The Sodus Record, 20 March 1903, page 3.
Select the image to enlarge the original clipping.
Land-record index images & original deed locators

The grantor and grantee indexes help locate the instruments summarized in the timeline. Index entries and collected abstracts should be checked against the complete deeds, including signatures and acknowledgments.

Wayne County grantor index entries preserved in the Guthrie family research.
Grantor index, p. 652; select for the FamilySearch record.
Wayne County grantee index entries preserved in the Guthrie family research.
Grantee index, p. 652; select for the FamilySearch record.

Priority comparisons are the 1853 deeds, Book 58, pp. 568–569, for the Pierce/Milne discrepancy, and Book 13, pp. 33–34, for the acreage variation. Land described at different dates should not simply be added to calculate a single estate.

Most Wanted Documents

Records that could clarify the family’s origins & connections
  1. The reported 1793 Stafford placement: the original source behind the family account, followed by relevant town, guardianship, poor-relief, court or binding-out records.
  2. Ahiel’s birth and parentage: a birth, baptism, court entry or family paper connecting him to named parents. Goodwill records need to be linked to Ahiel directly.
  3. The 1818 marriage and Bullock family evidence: records establishing the marriage’s exact date and place, Diantha’s birth and her parents.
  4. Full-size cemetery photographs and burial registers: evidence resolving Ahiel’s exact death day and the conflicting memorial dates for Diantha.
  5. The complete 1853 family deeds: Book 58, pp. 568–569, including acknowledgments, to resolve the names and family conveyances.
  6. Sophronia’s and Reuben’s original vital evidence: a family Bible, church record, notice or cemetery entry supporting their exact dates and identifying their burials.
  7. James Reuben and Carrie’s marriage: original records to resolve the marriage year, plus James’s 1918 death certificate and the cited 1919 Onondaga Conference memoir.

Documents from any child’s family may preserve information about the earlier generations. Please include the source, repository and surrounding pages when available.

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Every family holds a piece of the story

Help Build the Family Story

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A schoolmaster’s name in a county history, a widow in her daughter’s household and a deed shared among family members each preserve part of Ahiel and Diantha’s story. The next connection may be waiting in a family Bible, an old letter or a record filed under an unexpected spelling.

What might your family add? Birth entries, marriage records, labeled photographs, cemetery information and papers from the Guthrie, Bullock, Jones, Dowd or Pierce families are welcome. Contributions can help clarify both the established family and the unresolved questions surrounding Ahiel’s childhood.

You do not need DNA results to contribute. Descendants interested in testing can also explore joining the Guthrie DNA Project.

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