3A: John Guthrie
Guthrie Family Group 3 · Branch A · 3A-1-2
John Guthrie & Mary Fuller
John: about 1756–about 1830
Maryland · Virginia · Ohio
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At Cedar Creek in Rockbridge County, Virginia, John Guthrie was already living on a corner of his father’s land when Robert made his will. The fifty-acre bequest identifies John as Robert’s son and gives this family a firm place in the documentary trail.
John and Mary later sold their Virginia property, and the family study follows them west into Ohio. Their sons’ families spread through Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. Descendants of their son William also contribute to the DNA comparisons within Guthrie Family Group 3.
Family at a Glance
John Guthrie
- Birth & baptism
- About 1756, calculated from age 20 in the 1776 Maryland enumeration. Birthplace unknown; no baptism identified.
- Parents
- Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles. Robert’s will expressly identifies John as his son. Esther’s surname is under investigation as Giles versus Skiles.
- Marriage
- Probably by 1783, based on the family’s recorded birth of eldest son Robert. No marriage record or exact place identified.
- Residence
- Elizabeth Hundred, Frederick County, Maryland; Cedar Creek, Rockbridge County, Virginia; later associated with Hamilton County, Ohio.
- Death & burial
- About 1830 in the family reconstruction, based on a Hamilton County administration dated 15 September 1830. No burial securely identified.
Mary Fuller
- Birth & parents
- Unknown. No birth, baptism, or parental couple established.
- Name & identity
- Mary is named as John’s wife in the transcribed 1805 deed. Fuller is retained from the family research; independent evidence for her maiden surname has not yet been identified.
- Marriage
- Associated with John and their three sons in the family reconstruction. The proposed marriage by 1783 remains an estimate.
- Residence
- Rockbridge County, Virginia, in the 1805 deed. Her later movements require further documentation.
- Death & burial
- Unknown. John’s probate date does not establish whether Mary was then living.
The Three Son Lines
| Child | Birth & Death | Marriage & Family |
|---|---|---|
| Robert Guthrie | 18 February 1783, Maryland, in family records; died 7 April 1842, Cincinnati, Ohio, according to his pension index. | Hannah McGillard, reportedly 29 December 1814; then Amy Ent, 24 June 1819, Butler County, Ohio. Six children are recorded. |
| John Guthrie | 1788, Virginia; reported death 23 April 1869, Livingston County, Illinois. | Jane McIntyre; marriage estimated about 1810–1815. Seven children are reconstructed, including two whose names remain unknown. |
| William Guthrie | 6 February 1794, Virginia, in family records; reported death in 1876, Orange County, Indiana. | Elizabeth Rigney, 9 January 1823, Orange County, Indiana. Six children are recorded. |
The family summaries below combine the supplied research tree and legacy study with the records identified on this page. Dates carried from family research remain subject to verification against their original sources.
Robert Guthrie · Hannah McGillard & Amy Ent
Robert served as a lieutenant in Captain Ephraim Brown’s Ohio militia company from 25 April 1812 to 24 April 1813. His pension index names both wives and confirms his second marriage and death date.
Hannah died in 1817. The second wife appears as Amy Ent in the pension index; Ann and Anny also occur in the family study. Amy should not be dismissed as a transcription error.
- Harriet Guthrie (1815–1902): daughter of Robert and Hannah; reported unmarried.
- Milton F. Guthrie (1820–1853): reported unmarried.
- Alexander H. Guthrie (1822–1910): married Elizabeth Ann Evans; descendants recorded.
- Hannah Guthrie (1825–1838): died at twelve.
- Eliza Guthrie (1829–1854): reported unmarried.
- Mary Ann Guthrie (1832–1865): reported unmarried.
The five younger children are assigned to Robert and Amy. Hamilton County deeds trace Robert’s property dealings with Hannah and later Amy. The family account reports his eventual reinterment at Spring Grove Cemetery.
John Guthrie & Jane McIntyre
This younger John’s trail leads through Indiana and into Illinois. The supplied census material places him in Fountain County in 1830 and 1840 and at Eppards Point, Livingston County, Illinois, in 1860. The 1860 entry describes a retired farmer, aged 72, born in Virginia.
Jane reportedly died about 1830. Their marriage date and place remain unproved; the family’s account that their youngest son was raised by his sister also needs a supporting record.
- Indiana Guthrie (1815–1850): married John T. Jones.
- George W. Guthrie (1819–1894): married Eliza P. Duncan, then Sarah Duncan.
- Elizabeth Guthrie (born about 1821): later history unresolved.
- Unnamed child (born about 1823): identity and later history unresolved.
- Robert Guthrie (1824–1848): reported unmarried.
- Unnamed child (born about 1827): identity and later history unresolved.
- John N. Guthrie (1828–1909): married Ann Auter, then Rebecca V. Scott.
The two unnamed entries are retained as reconstructed children. Their identities and reported early deaths require additional evidence.
William Guthrie & Elizabeth Rigney
William’s pension index identifies him as a private in Captain Ephraim Brown’s Ohio militia company, serving from 25 April 1812 to 24 April 1813. It also records his marriage to Elizabeth Rigney on 9 January 1823 in Orange County, Indiana.
The couple farmed in the Stampers Creek community. Census records follow William there from 1840 through 1870. His Virginia birthplace is supported, but the family history’s more specific Franklin County location is unproved; Rockbridge is a possibility based on his parents’ residence.
- John Guthrie (1823–1864): associated in the family study with Rachel Ann Burtt and Malinda Rutherford; the sequence needs documentation.
- William Guthrie (1825–1894): married Mary Jane Coulter.
- Amariah R. Guthrie (1827–1865): reported unmarried.
- Isaac Guthrie (1832–1896): married Rebecca F. Kirk.
- Robert Guthrie (1836–1842): died young; restored here from the supplied family profile.
- Mary Guthrie (1839–1883): married John Lewis Holmes.
Elizabeth was born about 1800. Her parents and exact death date remain under review; the existing accounts differ between 1880 and before 1880.
Was There Also a Daughter Elizabeth?
An older family listing includes an Elizabeth Guthrie born about 1798. The supplied John–Mary profiles and this branch’s legacy page identify three sons. No supporting record currently establishes Elizabeth’s place in this household.
Her entry remains a research lead. It is not counted as a fourth established child, and the three-son list should not be taken as proof that John and Mary had no other children.
Family at a Glance
John Guthrie
- Birth & baptism
- About 1756, calculated from age 20 in the 1776 Maryland enumeration. Birthplace unknown; no baptism identified.
- Parents
- Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles. Robert’s will expressly identifies John as his son. Esther’s surname is under investigation as Giles versus Skiles.
- Marriage
- Probably by 1783, based on the family’s recorded birth of eldest son Robert. No marriage record or exact place identified.
- Residence
- Elizabeth Hundred, Frederick County, Maryland; Cedar Creek, Rockbridge County, Virginia; later associated with Hamilton County, Ohio.
- Death & burial
- About 1830 in the family reconstruction, based on a Hamilton County administration dated 15 September 1830. No burial securely identified.
Mary Fuller
- Birth & parents
- Unknown. No birth, baptism, or parental couple established.
- Name & identity
- Mary is named as John’s wife in the transcribed 1805 deed. Fuller is retained from the family research; independent evidence for her maiden surname has not yet been identified.
- Marriage
- Associated with John and their three sons in the family reconstruction. The proposed marriage by 1783 remains an estimate.
- Residence
- Rockbridge County, Virginia, in the 1805 deed. Her later movements require further documentation.
- Death & burial
- Unknown. John’s probate date does not establish whether Mary was then living.
The Three Son Lines
| Child | Birth & Death | Marriage & Family |
|---|---|---|
| Robert Guthrie | 18 February 1783, Maryland, in family records; died 7 April 1842, Cincinnati, Ohio, according to his pension index. | Hannah McGillard, reportedly 29 December 1814; then Amy Ent, 24 June 1819, Butler County, Ohio. Six children are recorded. |
| John Guthrie | 1788, Virginia; reported death 23 April 1869, Livingston County, Illinois. | Jane McIntyre; marriage estimated about 1810–1815. Seven children are reconstructed, including two whose names remain unknown. |
| William Guthrie | 6 February 1794, Virginia, in family records; reported death in 1876, Orange County, Indiana. | Elizabeth Rigney, 9 January 1823, Orange County, Indiana. Six children are recorded. |
The family summaries below combine the supplied research tree and legacy study with the records identified on this page. Dates carried from family research remain subject to verification against their original sources.
Robert Guthrie · Hannah McGillard & Amy Ent
Robert served as a lieutenant in Captain Ephraim Brown’s Ohio militia company from 25 April 1812 to 24 April 1813. His pension index names both wives and confirms his second marriage and death date.
Hannah died in 1817. The second wife appears as Amy Ent in the pension index; Ann and Anny also occur in the family study. Amy should not be dismissed as a transcription error.
- Harriet Guthrie (1815–1902): daughter of Robert and Hannah; reported unmarried.
- Milton F. Guthrie (1820–1853): reported unmarried.
- Alexander H. Guthrie (1822–1910): married Elizabeth Ann Evans; descendants recorded.
- Hannah Guthrie (1825–1838): died at twelve.
- Eliza Guthrie (1829–1854): reported unmarried.
- Mary Ann Guthrie (1832–1865): reported unmarried.
The five younger children are assigned to Robert and Amy. Hamilton County deeds trace Robert’s property dealings with Hannah and later Amy. The family account reports his eventual reinterment at Spring Grove Cemetery.
John Guthrie & Jane McIntyre
This younger John’s trail leads through Indiana and into Illinois. The supplied census material places him in Fountain County in 1830 and 1840 and at Eppards Point, Livingston County, Illinois, in 1860. The 1860 entry describes a retired farmer, aged 72, born in Virginia.
Jane reportedly died about 1830. Their marriage date and place remain unproved; the family’s account that their youngest son was raised by his sister also needs a supporting record.
- Indiana Guthrie (1815–1850): married John T. Jones.
- George W. Guthrie (1819–1894): married Eliza P. Duncan, then Sarah Duncan.
- Elizabeth Guthrie (born about 1821): later history unresolved.
- Unnamed child (born about 1823): identity and later history unresolved.
- Robert Guthrie (1824–1848): reported unmarried.
- Unnamed child (born about 1827): identity and later history unresolved.
- John N. Guthrie (1828–1909): married Ann Auter, then Rebecca V. Scott.
The two unnamed entries are retained as reconstructed children. Their identities and reported early deaths require additional evidence.
William Guthrie & Elizabeth Rigney
William’s pension index identifies him as a private in Captain Ephraim Brown’s Ohio militia company, serving from 25 April 1812 to 24 April 1813. It also records his marriage to Elizabeth Rigney on 9 January 1823 in Orange County, Indiana.
The couple farmed in the Stampers Creek community. Census records follow William there from 1840 through 1870. His Virginia birthplace is supported, but the family history’s more specific Franklin County location is unproved; Rockbridge is a possibility based on his parents’ residence.
- John Guthrie (1823–1864): associated in the family study with Rachel Ann Burtt and Malinda Rutherford; the sequence needs documentation.
- William Guthrie (1825–1894): married Mary Jane Coulter.
- Amariah R. Guthrie (1827–1865): reported unmarried.
- Isaac Guthrie (1832–1896): married Rebecca F. Kirk.
- Robert Guthrie (1836–1842): died young; restored here from the supplied family profile.
- Mary Guthrie (1839–1883): married John Lewis Holmes.
Elizabeth was born about 1800. Her parents and exact death date remain under review; the existing accounts differ between 1880 and before 1880.
Was There Also a Daughter Elizabeth?
An older family listing includes an Elizabeth Guthrie born about 1798. The supplied John–Mary profiles and this branch’s legacy page identify three sons. No supporting record currently establishes Elizabeth’s place in this household.
Her entry remains a research lead. It is not counted as a fourth established child, and the three-son list should not be taken as proof that John and Mary had no other children.
Historical Highlights
Land records connect John’s Virginia home to his father, his brother Richard, and their Cedar Creek neighbors. The surviving references describe property adjoining Jefferson’s land; they do not establish that John occupied land owned by Jefferson.
The chronology separates the recorded will from deed, tax, and probate abstracts that still need comparison with the originals.
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1776
John in Maryland
The Elizabeth Hundred enumeration lists John at age twenty. This supplies the basis for his estimated birth about 1756; it does not identify his birthplace or establish a marriage date.
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28 Feb 1788
The Home on Cedar Creek
Robert’s will leaves his son John fifty acres in the northeast corner of his land, where John was already living, adjoining Ebenezer Branham. The will was proved on 7 April 1789.
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18 Sep 1795
An Additional Twenty-Eight Acres
A deed transcribed in the family study records William Miller and wife Elizabeth conveying twenty-eight acres to John Guthery for £12. Boundaries include Richard Guthrie and John’s existing land. The deed was recorded in September 1796.
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2 Jul 1805
John and Mary Sell Their Land
The legacy transcription records John Guthrie and wife Mary conveying seventy-five acres to Felix O’Neill for £200. The Cedar Creek boundaries include land associated with Thomas Jefferson.
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1808
An Ohio Tax Entry
The family study identifies John on the Hamilton County, Ohio, “Miscellaneous Townships” tax list. Together with the Virginia sale, this supports the proposed westward move; the original tax entry remains a verification target.
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1812–1813
Two Sons in the Ohio Militia
Pension indexes record Robert as a lieutenant and William as a private in Captain Ephraim Brown’s company. Both indexes give service from 25 April 1812 to 24 April 1813.
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15 Sep 1830
Administration in Hamilton County
The legacy probate abstract records administration for a deceased John Guthrie, granted to John McGilliard. Robert Guthrie and Thomas Smith were securities. The family study identifies this estate with John, husband of Mary.
Cedar Creek: Acreage and Recording Dates
The fifty-acre inheritance and twenty-eight-acre purchase total seventy-eight acres, while the 1805 sale describes seventy-five. A resurvey, an earlier conveyance, or a transcription difference may explain the discrepancy, but none is yet demonstrated.
The 1795 purchase, Deed Book C, page 304, was recorded in September 1796. The legacy transcription and index differ on the day, giving 9 and 6 September respectively. The original should settle that detail.
The opening of the 1805 transcription, Deed Book E, page 465, reverses the parties, although its operative conveyance identifies John and Mary as sellers and Felix O’Neill as purchaser. The direction of sale should be checked against the original image before publishing a diplomatic transcription.
Reading the 1830 Estate Entry
The legacy abstract cites Administration and Guardian Appointments, 1791–1847, referring to Probate Entries, volume 3, page 98. It gives a $100 administration bond and names John McGilliard as administrator, Robert Guthrie and Thomas Smith as securities, and Halfield Williams, Smith Schooley, and Anthony Hill as appraisers.
These roles do not themselves identify heirs or prove kinship. The bond is not a valuation of the estate. The full entry and subsequent accounts may clarify the identification and whether Mary survived John.
An 1840 census attachment on the elder John’s profile cannot by itself establish that he survived the 1830 administration. It needs examination for a namesake or an incorrectly assigned event.