1764 marriage: the supplied St. James Episcopal index names John Guthrie and Margaret Brown, 5 November 1764, with the remark License. Consult the underlying register before treating the indexed date as a confirmed ceremony date.

Chester County: the 1764 freeman reference is P-7a:42. Published 1768 and 1769 inmate entries are cited in Pennsylvania Archives, series 3, volume 11, pp. 485 and 610. Neither category supplies an exact birth date or, by itself, a land-purchase history.

Other leads: John’s possible appearance as a witness to Thomas Barnett’s 1771 will; a 1790 John Gutorey household with two males 16+ and two females; and John and William among delegates at Scotland, Franklin County, in 1795. The location is in Pennsylvania. These entries still need an identity chain.

1800 candidate: John Gutherie, Green, Franklin County; males under 10, 16–25, 26–44, and 45+; females under 10, 16–25, and 45+; one in each category, seven residents. The woman 45+ cannot automatically be Margaret if her reported 1777 death is correct. Another relative, remarriage, or a different John remains possible.

Sources: supplied marriage and census indexes; tax and church references preserved in the earlier family study and Research Tree. Original census schedules remain necessary.

The registered copy is dated 7 May 1776 and proved 14 April 1777. Robert Brown of Rye/Rie Township, Cumberland County, names wife Martha; children Matthew, Roger, Margaret Guthrey, Mary Hatley, Elizabeth Boggs, Grace, and Martha; and son-in-law Robert Boggs. Wife Martha and son Matthew are executors.

The will establishes Margaret as Robert’s daughter. It does not name her husband, give her birth or death date, or supply Martha’s maiden surname. Its 1776 execution also explains why Margaret could be named even if she died before the April 1777 probate.

The published funeral receipt records a payment by Roger Brown to Dennis Sweeney, dated 14 March 1777, for ringing the bell for Margaret Guthrie’s funeral. The tree’s 3 March death date needs a separate basis.

Sources: supplied registered will, pp. 1–3; History of the Susquehanna and Juniata Valleys, published Brown account and receipt. The image title’s 1777 is not the will’s execution year.

Roger Brown of Juniata Township executed his will on 23 April 1810; the supplied witness proof is dated 2 April 1813. He refers to papers of the estate of John Guthrie, deceased, left with a McCown for keeping. The earlier abstract identifies Finlaw McCown; the given name should be checked against the manuscript before the clause is transcribed definitively.

A separate clause leaves £10 to Margaret Guthrie, now Margaret Marshall. The manuscript should not be reduced to a direction to give her John’s papers. Nor does the reviewed passage securely identify her as John’s widow or daughter.

The John mentioned here must be identified before this will can establish the death limit for the Branch B John. The original dates also differ from the older abstract. The remaining endorsement date should be checked before a single probate date is published.

Source: Roger Brown registered will, cited in the earlier study as Cumberland Will Book H:180–181; supplied two-page image.

The 9 August 1769 Cuthbertson baptism abstract names Mary, daughter of John Guthrie. It does not establish her birth in 1769 or name her mother. The Research Tree calls the setting James Armstrong’s; the earlier published diary quotation says James Anderson’s. The original diary/register needs checking.

The candidate 1810 Mary Marshal household in Juniata contains a woman 45+, a woman 16–25, one boy and one girl 10–15, and one boy and one girl under 10: six residents. A birth about 1769 would make Mary about 41, so an earlier birth, a faulty age/index, or a different woman remains possible.

Roger’s will names Margaret, not Mary. A common husband’s surname is insufficient to merge them or create a name such as Mary Margaret. The five younger census residents are not a proved list of her children. Female headship alone also does not establish widowhood or her husband’s death date.

The earlier study’s 1820 Mary Marshal, with an oldest female aged 26–44, remains another candidate. It does not prove that the older Mary died or that a daughter took over the household.

The woman 45+ in 1820 cannot be the same accurately aged woman listed 40–49 in 1830. Different residents, remarriage, and age or indexing errors remain possibilities. Robert’s proposed 1765 birth does fit the male 26–44 category on census day in August 1810; he had not yet reached his November birthday.

These household counts do not establish a single wife, seven biological children, or the claim that no other Guthrie household lived in Carlisle.

1789: the original places Robert Guthrie under Freemen, while the profile says married. The category and the underlying abstract need reconciliation before a marriage date is inferred.

1793: No. 201 Robt Guthrie, Clock Maker; No. 202 William Guthrie, ditto; No. 210 Samuel Guthrie, Physician. 1800: No. 112 Robert Guthrie, Silversmith. The list identified as 1814 in the earlier study names Robert D., clockmaker, John, watchmaker, and Samuel, doctor. These are occupational associations, not express relationships.

Other tax leads: the 1798 direct-tax abstract describes Robert occupying Michael Miller’s house and shop; the 1807 septennial reference is No. 138; later tax references describe him as a watchmaker, including an unimproved North Street lot in 1835. Those abstracts retain their separate source status.

Craftsperson cards: two files repeat Robert D., clockmaker, Carlisle, working 1790–95, Chester County origins, citing Ed. LaFond, 6/29/77. A third names Robert, silversmith, working 1815, citing “Whiskers, 1993.” Repeated cards based on the same source are not independent confirmations. None expands D.

Obituary calculation: the tree’s 13 November 1765 birth and 25 November 1840 death yield 75 years and twelve days, whereas the notice says eleven. The supplied viewer labels the issue 3 December 1840 and the notice says “Wednesday evening last.” Verify the issue and death chronology before changing either exact date.

Additional civic leads: an 1812 peace-committee notice; witness to Jeremiah Miller’s 1817 will; a December 1823 justice appointment; witness to Simon Lamberton’s 1824 will; and an unsourced duel-intervention story. These remain distinct from the clippings inspected here. The justice-appointment page reference and the duel account need their original sources.

1800: the Montgomery, Franklin County index gives William Gutherie one male 26–44, one female 16–25, eight “All Other Free Persons”, and one enslaved person: eleven residents. The unusual count needs checking against the original columns; it should neither be omitted nor converted into eight Guthrie children.

1810: William B Gutherie, Mercersburg, has two boys under 10, one male 16–25, one male 26–44, one girl under 10, one woman 26–44, and one person in “All Other Free Persons”: seven residents.

Newton Brown’s baptism: the supplied Upper West Conococheague register records him in June 1813 under baptisms by David Elliott, with parent Wm. B. Guthrie. The entry supports that relationship; it is not a birth record naming both parents.

Land: Franklin Deed Book 5:90 is the November 1800 Ford conveyance for £7 2s.; 6:7 is the 13 January 1803 Shannon conveyance for $800. These are retained deed abstracts, not newly transcribed originals.

The 1793 postal-letter list, 1798 Franklin Blues captaincy, 1800 marriage, and 1813 postmaster appointment remain useful sourced research leads. The supplied photograph shows a WG maker’s mark attributed in the tree to William Brown; the photograph alone does not establish the attribution or his full middle name.

Franklin Will Book C:580, 1 February 1822: administration of William B. Guthrie’s estate was granted to Hugh Cowan and William Sterrett, with John Brownson and Arthur Chambers as sureties on a $1,000 bond. The bond amount is not an estate valuation. The general index identifies estate number 1812; that is a case number, not the death year.

The 13 January 1822 date belongs to Hugh Torrence’s will, which begins below the Guthrie administration and continues on C:581. Torrence’s will names different people and was proved in February. Its attached index is not evidence that William’s estate was administered before his reported death.

Orphans’ Court Docket B:448, captioned 1822: Thomas Carson was appointed guardian for John Mitchell and Newton Brown; Daniel Rea for Margaret, all described as under fourteen. A separate entry appoints Daniel Rea for Maria, over fourteen. The record expressly identifies them as children of deceased William B. Guthrie of Montgomery Township. “Maria” likely relates to Sarah Maria in the tree, rather than the first Maria reportedly deceased in 1803; that identification should be verified.

Will Book D:187, 9 August 1831: later administration of the remaining estate was granted to James O. Carson, with Thomas Carson and William Dick as sureties. This is a continuation of the estate, not a second William B. death.

The tree gives 20 January 1822 for William’s death; older narrative text also uses 22 January. The 1 February administration establishes that he had died by then, but does not decide between those two January dates.

Use Robert D. Guthrie. The Gardner Library article expands his name to Robert Darlington Guthrie, but the reviewed obituary and maker files do not. No source establishing that expansion has been identified here. It cannot be used to prove his ancestry.

Otho Darlington Guthrie is a separate naming clue in William Brown and Isabella’s family. American Guthrie and Allied Families, pp. 188–189, records his name and a published baptism extract. Even that full name does not establish a namesake or identify John’s proposed mother.

The reported Brown-side connection to Meredith Darlington also remains unresolved: Cope identifies Meredith’s wife as Sarah David/Davis, daughter of Rees and Catharine Davis, rather than the Brown sister of the tradition. Local Darlingtons are people to investigate, not proof of a marriage.

Elizabeth, Rebecca, Elizabeth Rebecca, and Rebecca Elizabeth Darlington should not be combined into verified aliases for an unidentified woman. See the Family Hub for the wider evidence.

The earlier study retains a separate Bedford comparison set: the 1773 tax; two 27 December 1774 warrants for 300 and 178 acres; the 1776 Bethel tax; the 15 August 1778 “Brush Heap” purchase; the 1779 assessment; Rangers and depreciation-pay lists; the 7 December 1781 sale by John and wife Margaret; and a 28 April 1783 militia return.

Those records should not be silently assigned to this John. The 1781 wife named Margaret especially needs comparison with Margaret Brown’s reported 1777 death. A later wife or another couple is possible, but neither is established by the shared names.

The captivity attribution, and the alternative placement of Robert D. under James Guthrie of the Robert/Bridget Dougherty family, remain historical hypotheses requiring independent evidence. Do not use the expanded Darlington name to decide between them. Close Y-DNA among other Guthrie lines cannot place an untested John or a hypothetical son in a specific household.

Retained references: Pennsylvania Archives, series 3, vol. 22, pp. 49, 145, 183; vol. 25, p. 521; series 5, vol. 4, pp. 240, 605; Bedford deed and militia references in the earlier study. These originals were not newly reviewed for this page.

• Guthrie Research Tree: John Guthrie and Margaret Brown — supplied profiles, source attachments, and working hypotheses.
• Earlier John Guthrie & Margaret Brown study — retained chronology, occupational images, Bedford comparisons, and older interpretations; current qualifications above supersede unsupported identifications.
• American Guthrie and Allied Families, pp. 188–194 — compiled family reconstruction, not proof of every relationship.
• Egle, Notes and Queries, series 3, volume 1, p. 11; Cuthbertson’s published marriage and baptism register; Upper West Conococheague church register.
• History of the Susquehanna and Juniata Valleys (1886), Brown family account and funeral receipt; History of Franklin County (1887), p. 223, postal-letter reference.
• Genealogy of the Darlington Family, especially pp. 498–501 and 516–520; Dunn and Dunn’s Records of the Guthrie Family for broader comparison.
• Brown wills; Franklin Will Books C:580–581 and D:187; estate index, p. 189, case 1812; Orphans’ Court Docket B:448.
• Federal census indexes, 1790–1840; Carlisle tax and septennial lists; U.S. Craftsperson Files. Indexes and repeated cards retain their limitations.
• Gardner Library occupational study and the legacy Bowers Conservation essay — finding aids whose individual claims require source checking.
• Shared Branch B deed register and Three Brothers Tradition — broader B/F/I comparisons, including similarly named people who must remain distinct.