2A-A: Margaret Guthrie

Watercolor reading table with an open Bible, spectacles, and books bearing the names Mary, James, Martha, Ann, Robert, Margaret, Jean, and Elizabeth.

Guthrie Family Group 2A · Branch A · Child Page

Margaret Guthrie & Mr. Forrest

North Carolina · Humphreys & Carroll Counties, Tennessee

Margaret Guthrie, daughter of James Guthrie & Elizabeth (MNU), connects the Guthrie family with the Forrest and Hamilton families of Tennessee. Her father’s will, her son’s family Bible, and her son-in-law’s recollections preserve different parts of her story.

Two children anchor this branch: Elizabeth Forrest, wife of Thomas Hamilton, and Rev. James Forrest, husband of Sarah Dunlap. Their families carried the story into the Cumberland Presbyterian communities of Middle and West Tennessee. Margaret’s husband’s given name remains unproved.

Family at a Glance

Margaret Guthrie

Parents
James Guthrie & Elizabeth (MNU).
Birth
Date unproved. Before 1775 is the working estimate; Maryland or North Carolina is reported.
Family connection
Named among her father’s four eldest daughters in his 1800 will.
Death
Date unknown. The suggested 1820–1830 interval is not established.
Burial
Shiloh graveyard, Carroll County, Tennessee, reported by her son-in-law Thomas Hamilton.

Mr. Forrest

Given name
Unproved. John is a proposed identification.
Parents & birth
Not established by the records reviewed.
Family locations
North Carolina and Humphreys County, Tennessee, in the children’s records.
Death
Date unknown; a death before 1820 remains an inference.
Burial
Humphreys County, Tennessee, according to Thomas Hamilton. Cemetery not identified.

Marriage: before daughter Elizabeth’s birth in 1792.
North Carolina is the working location. No marriage record has yet established the date or the groom’s given name.

Two children in the established family reconstruction. A proposed son John is discussed separately in Explore the Records.
ChildLifespanMarriage & Family
Elizabeth T. Forrest 1792–1858 Thomas Hamilton; married 2 January 1812. Ten children listed.
Rev. James Forrest 1795–1856 Sarah Dunlap; married 8 February 1816. Ten children recorded in the family Bible.

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Historical Highlights

A family remembered through a will, a Bible, and a son-in-law’s testimony

Interpretive watercolor of farm and textile equipment inspired by the elder James Guthrie’s household inventory.

Margaret’s place among the children of James and Elizabeth Guthrie is preserved in her father’s will. Written in Orange County, North Carolina, in 1800, it names Margaret among his four eldest daughters and includes grandson James Forrest among the younger beneficiaries. The document connects generations without supplying a complete account of Margaret’s own household.

Her children’s records carry the family into Tennessee. Elizabeth married Thomas Hamilton in 1812, and James married Sarah Dunlap in 1816. Elizabeth and Thomas’s household became associated with Shiloh in Carroll County, while James’s family and ministry remained connected with Humphreys County.

Thomas’s published recollections supply a personal link: he identifies his wife’s mother as Margaret Guthrie and remembers her burial at Shiloh. That testimony gives Margaret a place in the family’s remembered landscape, even though her exact lifespan and her husband’s given name remain unresolved.

The Forrest Bible preserves ten children born to James and Sarah, followed by marriages, deaths, and entries for another generation. Read alongside the Hamilton family history, it lets us follow the two established child lines without turning the uncertain 1820 John Forest household into a proved third branch.

The shared Branch A artwork recalls the household possessions of Margaret’s father, James Guthrie. It is an interpretive illustration, not an inventory of the Forrest home.

Family Timeline

Documented events and later recollections are distinguished from working estimates.
DateEvent & Evidence
Before 1792 The Forrest marriageMargaret’s marriage predates the reported birth of daughter Elizabeth. The date and location remain to be documented.Family reconstruction.
25 Feb 1792 Elizabeth Forrest’s birthThe retained family research places Elizabeth’s birth in North Carolina. A specific county is not established.Hamilton family research.
15 Jan 1795 James Forrest’s birthThe Bible records the date; the obituary supplies North Carolina as his birthplace.Forrest Bible; 1856 obituary.
1800–1801 James Guthrie’s willWritten 1 November 1800 and proved at May Term 1801, the will names daughter Margaret and grandson James Forrest.Orange County recorded will.
2 Jan 1812 Elizabeth marries Thomas HamiltonThomas gives this date in his published autobiographical account. Humphreys County is the retained marriage location.Hamilton’s recollections; family research.
8 Jan 1815 James at New OrleansJames’s obituary reports his participation in the battle. The military service and pension records remain useful comparison sources.A. A. Wilson’s 1856 obituary.
8 Feb 1816 James marries Sarah DunlapThe Bible and obituary agree on 1816, correcting the previously reported 1814 date.Forrest Bible; 1856 obituary.
1820 A possible household connectionJohn Forest appears on the same Humphreys County census page as Madden and Hamilton households. The occupants’ relationships are unproved.Retained census image and index comparison.
Jan 1822 The Hamilton move to Carroll CountyThomas dates his household’s move to January 1822. This does not establish Margaret’s own arrival date.Hamilton’s published recollections.
7 Sept 1849 James Forrest’s ordinationThe church archive records ordination at Mt. Vernon camp-ground in Hickman County. Earlier licensure and later ordination are distinct events.Charlotte Presbytery extract.
16 Mar 1856 James Forrest’s deathThe Bible and obituary record his death. Sarah survived him; her death is reported in 1880.Forrest Bible; obituary; family research.
16 Apr 1858 Elizabeth Hamilton’s deathThe retained family research records Elizabeth’s death and burial at Shiloh. Thomas died in 1879.Hamilton family research.
1877 Margaret remembered in printThomas’s autobiographical account appears in E. B. Crisman’s published collection. It preserves Margaret’s identity and reported burial.Biographical Sketches of Living Old Men, vol. I, pp. 93–106.

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Explore the Records

The evidence below brings together Margaret’s place in the Guthrie family, the two established child lines, and the questions still open. Expand each heading for the source, its findings, and any limits on what it establishes.

1800–1801 · James Guthrie’s will and Margaret’s identity

James Guthrie’s will was written 1 November 1800 and proved at May Term 1801 in Orange County, North Carolina. Margaret is named with Ann, Mary, and Martha among the four eldest daughters, each receiving ten shillings. Grandson James Forrest is separately named among the beneficiaries receiving five pounds.

The daughters’ clause does not rank the four women by birth order. The will calls James Forrest a grandson but does not expressly identify his mother in that clause. Read with the Forrest and Hamilton evidence, it supports the established family reconstruction.

Margaret’s precise birth date remains unknown. The commonly used before-1775 estimate partly depends on identifying her with the older woman in the proposed 1820 household. It should not be treated as an independently documented birth date.

Read the recorded will · Ending and court proof.

Mr. Forrest’s identity and the proposed second marriage

The evidence reviewed establishes the Forrest family connection but does not establish Margaret’s husband’s given name. John remains a proposed identification. A North Carolina man named John Forrest cannot be assigned to this marriage solely because his name fits a later tree entry.

Thomas Hamilton places his wife’s father’s burial in Humphreys County, Tennessee, without supplying his given name, death date, or cemetery. The Bible and obituary of Rev. James Forrest do not name his parents.

The surname Dooewar appears in a modern cemetery annotation associated with Elizabeth Hamilton’s parentage. Suggested readings such as Dewar or Duerr and the possibility of Margaret’s remarriage remain research leads. No marriage record or other reviewed evidence establishes a second husband. Dooewar should not be treated as an alternate spelling of Forrest.

1820 · John Forest’s Humphreys County household

The retained census screenshot places John Forest on the same manuscript page as John Maddin, Samuel Maddin, and James Hamilton. This is a useful association lead; it does not by itself prove relationship or adjacent residence.

The image-and-index comparison gives two males under 10, one male aged 16–25, one female under 10, one female aged 26–44, and one female aged 45 or older: six free white people. The manuscript’s final tally reads six. An index also assigns six to “all other persons” and totals twelve, apparently duplicating that tally. The apparent index error should not create six additional household members.

The older woman could be Margaret, and John could be her son. Neither identification is supplied by the age marks. A proposed son John, born approximately 1795–1804, therefore remains unverified and is not counted with Elizabeth and James.

This household does not independently prove Margaret’s survival after 1820, her husband’s death before 1820, or a 1820–1830 death interval for her. A formal transcription should include comparison of the complete column headings.

Thomas Hamilton’s recollections and Margaret’s burial

Thomas’s published account names Margaret Guthrie as his wife’s mother and reports her burial at Shiloh with his own parents. This is direct family testimony from Margaret’s son-in-law, published late in his life.

He describes his household’s move to the area later called Henderson County in 1820 and to Carroll County in January 1822. Those dates cannot automatically be assigned to Margaret. He supplies neither her death date nor a second marriage.

The accessible transcription cites E. B. Crisman, Biographical Sketches of Living Old Men, of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church, volume I (St. Louis: Perrin and Smith, 1877), pages 93–106. Comparison with the printed edition would help distinguish the original account from later editorial additions.

Read Thomas Hamilton’s published recollections →

Elizabeth T. Forrest & Thomas Hamilton

Elizabeth’s retained family dates are 25 February 1792, North Carolina–16 April 1858, Tennessee. She married Thomas Hamilton (1789–1879) on 2 January 1812, reported in Humphreys County. Their family later settled in Carroll County and was associated with Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church.

The following ten children are preserved from the family research. Their individual dates and marriages should be supported by the corresponding household, church, cemetery, and estate records.

  1. Washington Ewing Hamilton (1812–1852); Ellender McClarey. Died in Texas.
  2. Sarah C. Hamilton (1815–1845); Robert Baker.
  3. Margaret Barnett Hamilton (1817–1891); Sidney S. Broach. Died in Kentucky.
  4. Jane L. Hamilton (1818–1878); James Robinson Knox.
  5. William F. Hamilton (1821–1842); no marriage established in the retained list.
  6. Elizabeth Ann Beard Hamilton (1823–1893); Ephraim Mark Cannon.
  7. Mary Susan Hamilton (1826–1891); Ephraim Cleveland Davidson.
  8. Martha Harriet Hamilton (1828–1902); further family details needed.
  9. James Robert B. Hamilton (1831–1904); Martha Louise Smith.
  10. Lucy Fatima Hamilton (1834–1907); Sidney Story Carroll.
Rev. James Forrest & Sarah Dunlap

James was born 15 January 1795 in North Carolina and died 16 March 1856 in Humphreys County, Tennessee. The birth date and death date are in the Bible; the obituary supplies his birth state. Sarah was born 29 July 1797, according to the Bible, and her death is reported in 1880.

Their marriage date is 8 February 1816. The handwritten Bible entry and A. A. Wilson’s obituary agree on the year. The ten children below appear in the Bible. Expanded names and later spouses come from the retained family research; initials are preserved where the Bible does not supply a full name.

  1. Margaret A. Forrest (12 August 1817–4 July 1843); Allen Eaton Carter, married 13 September 1837.
  2. Lydia Adeline Forrest (9 January 1819–about 1857); John M. O’Guin. The Bible marriage entry, 16 February 1841, uses Lydia A. and John O. Guin.
  3. William L. C. Forrest (9 November 1820–9 September 1855).
  4. Jane H. J. Forrest (6 May 1822–1897); John Hiram Knight, married 20 January 1847.
  5. James Richard B. Forrest (2 July 1824–before 1908); first Margaret E. Andrews, married 14 February 1844; later Mary H. Parker.
  6. Samuel L. Forrest (12 June 1826–6 October 1842).
  7. Eli Guthrie Forrest (12 December 1828–1883); Angeline / Angelina Alexander. The Bible marriage entry reads 17 February 185?, with an altered or unclear final year digit.
  8. Nancy T. Forrest (2 October 1830–12 November 1837).
  9. Elizabeth L. Forrest (5 May 1834–23 October 1851).
  10. John T. Forrest (23 October 1836–2 November 1863); Margaret M. Fiser, married 11 September 1859. The death entry places him at Chattanooga.

View the Forrest Bible images · Read James’s obituary and church record.

The Forrest Bible · What the original entries establish

The repository identifies an 1846 American Bible Society New Testament, reportedly held by James King of Waverly in 1990. Four images preserve marriages, births, grandchildren’s entries, and deaths. Earlier events necessarily were entered retrospectively in this volume; the date of an event is not the date its entry was written.

The reviewed pages record James and Sarah’s marriage and ten children. Separate headings identify grandchildren through Margaret, Adeline, and Jane, with Carter, O’Guin, and Knight entries. A marginal Margaret M. Forrest entry dated 3 June 1837 should not be added as an eleventh child merely because it appears on the birth page.

The Bible does not name James’s parents or resolve Margaret’s husband’s given name, her death date, or a second marriage. The present custodian and the identities of all entry writers are not established by the repository page.

Forrest Family Bible · Cumberland Presbyterian archives →

James Forrest’s military service and ministry

A. A. Wilson’s obituary, published in The Banner of Peace and Cumberland Presbyterian Advocate, 15 May 1856, page 3, volume XIV, number 33, reports James’s service at New Orleans on 8 January 1815. The service dates in the working tree should be compared with an identified military or pension file before being presented as a complete service history.

The obituary describes a long preaching career. The church archive separately records ordination on 7 September 1849 at Mt. Vernon camp-ground, Hickman County, and assignment to the Dover circuit. Licensure, preaching, and ordination should not be collapsed into a single event.

One archived 1848 meeting entry pairs an October meeting date with a May newspaper citation. That chronology needs comparison with the newspaper before use as a dated event.

Read the obituary and presbytery extracts →

Research sources & further reading

The central sources are James Guthrie’s recorded will, Thomas Hamilton’s published recollections, the Forrest Bible images, the 1856 Forrest obituary, and the retained 1820 census image and index comparison. The descendant lists also preserve information from the supplied family-tree research.

Two useful comparison leads are W. A. Smith, editor, “The autobiographical sketch of Thomas Hamilton,” West Tennessee Historical Society Papers 16 (1962), pages 127–132, and Jill Knight Garrett, A History of Humphreys County, Tennessee (1963), pages 70–71. These are retrieval leads, not additional originals examined for this page.

Tennessee research overview · Margaret in the Guthrie Research Tree.

Most Wanted Documents
  • Margaret’s marriage record, or a deed, estate, or church record naming her husband with her.
  • Evidence for Mr. Forrest’s identity and death, including Humphreys County probate and cemetery records.
  • Margaret’s death or burial record, especially Shiloh records or family testimony with a date.
  • The source behind the Dooewar annotation, and any documented second marriage.
  • Records identifying the 1820 John Forest household and establishing whether John was Margaret’s son.
  • The original Hamilton autobiography or printed edition, for comparison with the web transcription.
  • Forrest and Hamilton descendant records, including Bible provenance, estate files, and family letters.
  • Documented descendant DNA participation through either established child line.

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DNA Participation

Margaret’s descendants can contribute to the Guthrie DNA Project through autosomal DNA and documented family histories. Because this branch descends through a Guthrie daughter, its Forrest and Hamilton descendants do not carry the Guthrie Y chromosome through Margaret.

Y-DNA and Big-Y from a direct paternal Forrest descendant would concern the Forrest paternal line. Such results could assist a separate investigation of Mr. Forrest’s family, but would not test Margaret’s Guthrie paternal ancestry.

Participation recorded in the reviewed family information and project notes. “No participant recorded” does not mean no descendant has tested.
Child LineY-DNABig-YAutosomal DNA
Elizabeth T. Forrest
& Thomas Hamilton
N/A for the Guthrie line through Margaret N/A for the Guthrie line through Margaret No participant recorded
Rev. James Forrest
& Sarah Dunlap
N/A for the Guthrie line through Margaret N/A for the Guthrie line through Margaret No participant recorded

No participant assigned to either of these two lines was identified in the 15 October 2026 project notes. Those notes do not include a separate, complete AncestryDNA lineage roster. Additional participant information is welcome.

Autosomal comparisons are most useful alongside a documented descent from Elizabeth or James and careful review of shared ancestry. A match alone cannot identify Margaret’s husband or prove that the proposed John Forrest was her son.

If you descend from this family, please share your line of descent and the testing company you used. Learn about joining the DNA project →

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Keep the Story Growing

Help Build the Family Story

Watercolor of family-history research materials and keepsakes.

Margaret’s story survives in the records and recollections of the people around her: her father’s will, her son’s Bible, and her son-in-law’s memories. Together, they preserve a family connection that can be carried forward through the Forrest and Hamilton descendants.

Do you have a Forrest, Hamilton, Dunlap, Carter, O’Guin, Knight, or related family Bible, letter, photograph, cemetery record, or estate document? A record naming Margaret with her husband, identifying her burial date, or explaining the proposed John Forest connection would be especially valuable.

Please include the source, date, location, and family connection. Descendants interested in DNA participation are welcome to share their documented line and help expand the research.

Researched & Curated by Ann Guthrie

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