1A-A: Patrick Guthrie
Guthrie Family Group 1A · Branch A · The Next Generation
Patrick Guthrie & Agnes Foord
St Vigeans & Arbirlot · Angus, Scotland
Patrick Guthrie and Agnes Foord married in 1726, when he belonged to St Vigeans parish and she to Arbirlot. Their children’s baptism records place the family at Auchmithie and Cottown of Auchmithie. Follow Jannet, Patrick, Barbara, Anna and James through the parish records and the generations that followed.
A Y-DNA match between a male-line descendant of Patrick and Agnes and a documented descendant of the Guthries of Craigie supports a shared paternal ancestor. It gives us a reason to investigate Patrick’s proposed place in this family, but his identification as James Guthrie and Christian Scott’s son, baptised in Dundee in 1704, remains provisional.
The Family
Patrick Guthrie
- Parents
- James Guthrie, merchant, & Christian Scott are his proposed parents. The identification remains provisional.
- Birth & Baptism
- Not securely identified. The proposed Dundee baptism is dated 5 October 1704; other candidates are known.
- Death
- Unknown. A reference to Patrick Guthrie Senior in 1762 may belong to him.
- Occupation
- Not established
Agnes Foord
- Parents
- Not established. Alexander Foord & Isobel Bell are possible parents.
- Birth & Baptism
- A possible parish entry is dated 10 March 1708 at Lundie and Fowlis. Its connection to Agnes of Arbirlot is unconfirmed.
- Death
- No confirmed death or burial has been identified.
- Occupation
- Not recorded
Married in 1726 · St Vigeans, Angus, Scotland
When they gave up their names for marriage proclamations on 3 June 1726, Patrick belonged to St Vigeans parish and Agnes to Arbirlot. The entry records their marriage at St Vigeans after the proclamations, without separately stating the wedding date.
Five children—three daughters and two sons—appear in the parish registers between 1729 and 1739. Their baptism entries place the household at Auchmithie and Cottown of Auchmithie. The family’s later story leads to farms around Arbirlot and Acres of Crudie, and to the seafaring community of Arbroath.
Explore the Next Generation
Select a child’s name to explore their story and family below.
| Child | Baptism | Marriage & Later Life |
|---|---|---|
| Jannet | 27 May 1729 | No marriage, children, or death have been securely identified. |
| Patrick | 17 October 1731 | Farmer at Acres of Crudie. Married Margaret Smith in 1756; eight children are recorded. This is the line represented in the DNA Project. |
| Barbara | 1 March 1734 | Associated with the family of John Lamb, farmer. The reported marriage date conflicts with the children’s dates and needs clarification. |
| Anna | 5 May 1736 | Recorded as Anne in her 1759 marriage entry to George Butchart. The entry identifies her father as Patrick Guthrie of Acres of Crudie. |
| James | 20 May 1739 | Identified in the family research as a shipmaster who married Margaret Johnston in 1783, with seven recorded children. |
Family Evidence NotesOpen for baptism dates, proposed parents, the 1762 witness, and a marriage-date discrepancy.
Births and baptisms. The table gives baptism dates, not confirmed birth dates. The entries for Jannet, Barbara, Anna and James are in the St Vigeans registers. Patrick’s 1731 baptism was entered in the Arbroath register, but the record describes his parents as belonging to St Vigeans parish. The different register does not, by itself, establish that the family moved to Arbroath.
Patrick’s proposed parents. James Guthrie and Christian Scott had a son Patrick baptised in Dundee on 5 October 1704. The unresolved step is identifying that child with Agnes Foord’s husband. The alternatives include Patrick, son of Thomas Guthrie and twin of James, baptised at Rescobie on 29 August 1700, and an earlier Rescobie entry of 4 September 1689 for a son of David Guthrie of Carsbank and Helen Campbell. The records and the DNA connection to Craigie are compared in Explore the Records.
Agnes’s possible parents. The Lundie and Fowlis entry of 10 March 1708 names Agnes Foord, daughter of Alexander Foord and Isobel Bell. A matching name and suitable age make her a candidate, but a record connecting her with the Agnes who belonged to Arbirlot in 1726 is still needed. The date should not be treated as this wife’s confirmed birth date.
Patrick Guthrie Senior in 1762. David, son of the younger Patrick Guthrie and Margaret Smith, was baptised on 31 December 1762. Patrick Guthrie Senior and Thomas Ford appear as witnesses. Senior may be the child’s paternal grandfather, but the entry does not explicitly state that relationship. Patrick and Agnes’s death dates therefore remain unknown.
The Lamb marriage chronology. The reported marriage of John Lamb and Barbara Guthrie is dated 1775, while children attributed to that couple begin in 1757. The original marriage entries and the children’s records need to be reconciled before this chronology can be accepted. Robert Lamb’s 1860 death record names his parents as John Lamb and Barbara Guthrie, but does not itself identify Barbara’s parents.
Sources: the Arbirlot marriage-proclamation entry of 1726; St Vigeans and Arbroath baptism registers, 1729–1739; and the Arbirlot records of later family events. Supporting references and candidate comparisons appear in Explore the Records.
Children & Descendant Families
From Auchmithie, this family’s records lead to the farms of Arbirlot, the trades of Perth, and the maritime community of Arbroath. The following accounts bring together the children’s parish entries and the families associated with them.
Dates are identified as births, baptisms, marriage entries, or deaths where known. A repeated child’s name does not, by itself, establish that an earlier child died.
1. Jannet Guthrie
Baptised 27 May 1729 · St Vigeans
Jannet’s baptism names Patrick Guthery and Agnes Foord of Auchmithie as her parents. Her later life remains untraced. Several Angus marriage entries have been considered, but none has securely identified the bride as their daughter.
2. Patrick Guthrie & Margaret Smith
Baptised 17 October 1731 · Recorded at Arbroath; parents of St Vigeans parish
Patrick married Margaret Smith in 1756. Their Arbirlot entry, dated 8 May, records the marriage contract and subsequent marriage after proclamation. They lived at Cottown of Balcathie and later at Acres of Crudie, where Patrick farmed.
Eight children are recorded between 1757 and 1779. Descendants through their son Patrick, also called Peter, represent this family in the Guthrie DNA Project.
| Child | Life & Family |
|---|---|
| Patrick / Peter | Baptised 27 August 1757, Arbirlot.Farmer at Acres of Crudie. Married Elizabeth Fitchett in 1786. Their family includes the descendant lines represented by Y-DNA and autosomal testing. |
| James | Born 1 December; baptised 2 December 1759, Arbirlot.The baptism names his father as Peter Guthrie. His later life has not been established. |
| David | Baptised 31 December 1762, Arbirlot.Patrick Guthrie Senior and Thomas Ford appear as witnesses. No later family has been securely identified. |
| Charlotte | Baptised 22 December 1765, Arbirlot.Married John Gibson, of St Vigeans parish, on the reported date of 2 July 1791. Children are recorded for the couple. |
| Alexander | Baptised 25 November 1768, Arbirlot.His later life remains untraced. |
| James | Baptised 7 October 1771, Arbirlot.A second child recorded with this name. No later life has been securely identified. |
| Chaplin | Baptised 24 November 1775, Arbirlot.The family was at Acres. His later life remains untraced. |
| John | Baptised 3 July 1779, Arbirlot.A marriage to Barbara Carey in 1808 remains a candidate, not a confirmed identification. |
Names, witnesses & later-life questionsOpen for Peter, the two James entries, and unassigned marriage and burial records.
Patrick and Peter. James’s 1759 baptism records the father as Peter, with Margaret Smith as mother. It is included with this household’s entries. The younger Patrick, baptised in 1757 and later married to Elizabeth Fitchett, is also known as Peter. Keep these two generations distinct.
The two James children. The 1759 entry belongs between Patrick in 1757 and David in 1762. The later James was baptised in 1771. Both entries are retained; no death date has been assigned to the first James merely because the name was used again.
Family and neighbourhood connections. The 1757 entry names William Stephen and Henry Robertson; the 1768 entry names William Milne and James Parker. Patrick Guthrie Senior appears with Thomas Ford in 1762, while the father is styled Patrick Junior in Charlotte’s 1765 entry. These distinctions help separate the men, but the witnesses’ precise relationships are not all stated.
John’s possible marriage. The 1808 Barbara Carey marriage needs evidence connecting the groom to Patrick and Margaret. The separate 1818 marriage to Ann Mill has been excluded in the family research on the basis of her husband’s statutory death record.
Patrick’s later life. The youngest child’s baptism in 1779 is the latest family event presently identified for him. A Dundee burial for a Patrick Guthrie on 26 February 1797 has not been connected to the farmer of Acres of Crudie.
3. Barbara Guthrie & John Lamb
Baptised 1 March 1734 · St Vigeans
Barbara was baptised as the daughter of Patrick Guthrie and Agnes Foord of Cottown of Auchmithie. The family research associates her with John Lamb, a farmer, and the children listed below.
John Lamb and Barbara Guthrie were contracted at Arbirlot on 4 October 1755 and married after regular proclamation. Their marriage appears in the Arbroath register under 19 October 1755. The children’s recorded dates begin in 1757.
| Child | Life & Family |
|---|---|
| John | Baptised 17 March 1757, Arbroath.Associated with Acres in Arbirlot. Married Elizabeth Adam, of St Vigeans, in 1781; children are recorded. |
| Mary | Baptised 27 March 1761, Barry.Her later life remains untraced. |
| Amelia | Baptised 28 June 1763, St Vigeans.Her later life remains untraced. |
| Anne | Baptised 11 July 1766, Arbroath.A later daughter was also named Ann. No confirmed death date is assigned to this child. |
| Robert | Baptised 10 October 1768, Arbroath; died 5 February 1860, Perth.A wright or joiner. Married Jean Squire on the reported date of 6 June 1791. His death record names John Lamb, farmer, and Barbara Guthrie as his parents. |
| Ann | Baptised 19 February 1772, Arbroath.Her later life remains untraced. |
| David | Baptised 18 August 1774, Arbroath.A later child also bore this name. His death has not been identified. |
| David | Entry dated 16 August 1776, Arbirlot.Retained as a separate child in the family account; the event type and later life need confirmation. |
The Lamb marriage & family recordsOpen for the 1755 parish entries and Robert’s 1860 death record.
Arbirlot, 4 October 1755. The entry records the contract between John Lamb of Aberbrothock parish and Barbara Guthrie of Arbirlot, followed by marriage after regular proclamation. The original is in the Arbirlot Old Parish Registers, parish 271, viewer image 297 of 388.
Arbroath, 19 October 1755. The entry names John Lamb with Barbara Guthrie. Both the manuscript year heading and the record header show 1755. The original is in the Arbroath Old Parish Registers, parish 272, viewer image 23 of 176. The two parish entries refer to the same couple; they do not represent two separate marriages.
Robert Lamb’s statutory death entry records a widowed journeyman joiner, aged 91, who died at 14 Gowrie Street, Bridgend, Perth, on 5 February 1860. It names his deceased parents as John Lamb, farmer, and Barbara Guthrie, and records burial at Greyfriars Cemetery, Perth. His son Robert was the informant.
That death record supports Robert’s parentage within the Lamb household. It does not name Barbara’s parents and therefore does not independently prove her identity as the daughter baptised to Patrick Guthrie and Agnes Foord in 1734.
4. Anna Guthrie & George Butchart
Baptised 5 May 1736 · St Vigeans
Anna appears as Anne Guthrie in the Arbirlot marriage entry dated 2 November 1759. It identifies her as the lawful daughter of Patrick Guthrie in Acres of Crudie and describes George Butchart as a weaver at Cottertown of Peasie Hill. Their marriage followed proclamations on 4, 11 and 18 November; 2 November is the date they registered their intention to marry.
Their six recorded children were baptised in Arbirlot. In the next generation, daughter Isabel’s marriage to Robert Doig connects the family with Arbroath’s maritime community.
| Child | Life & Family |
|---|---|
| Barbara | Baptised 13 June 1760.Her later life remains untraced. |
| Marion | Baptised 15 April 1764.Her later life remains untraced. |
| Charles | Baptised 4 January 1768; twin of Agnes.A later son was also named Charles. No confirmed death date is assigned to this child. |
| Agnes | Baptised 4 January 1768; twin of Charles.A possible Dundee entry in the 1841 census remains a research lead, not a confirmed identification. |
| Isabel / Isabella | Baptised 19 December 1773; died 16 July 1864, Arbroath.Married Robert Doig, a mariner and later ship owner. Their marriage was recorded on 26 August 1798, with entries in Arbroath and Arbirlot. Children are recorded. |
| Charles | Baptised 30 June 1775.His later life remains untraced. |
Isabella Doig’s death recordOpen for her parents, her husband, and the age discrepancy.
Isabella died at 5 Old Shorehead, Arbroath, on 16 July 1864. Her statutory death record describes her as the widow of Robert Doig, ship owner, and names her deceased parents as George Butchart, farm servant, and Ann Guthrie. Her son David Doig, a seaman, supplied the information.
The recorded age of 93 suggests a birth around 1771, whereas the baptism attributed to her is dated December 1773. The age and baptism date are retained as recorded; the discrepancy calls for comparison with the original baptism and other records rather than an assumed exact birth date.
George’s description as a weaver in the marriage entry and as a farm servant in his daughter’s death record may reflect different stages of his working life. Both descriptions belong with their respective sources.
5. James Guthrie & Margaret Johnston
Baptised 20 May 1739 · St Vigeans
James was baptised as a son of Patrick Guthrie and Agnes Foord of Cottown of Auchmithie. The family research identifies him with the sailor and shipmaster who married Margaret Johnston, also written Johnstone, in 1783.
The marriage references give a contract dated 29 November 1783 and a St Vigeans entry dated 13 December recording the marriage and associating Margaret with Panbride. Seven children are listed for the couple, with the maritime connection continuing through son James and daughter Margaret’s family.
| Child | Life & Family |
|---|---|
| James | Born 26 September; baptised 29 September 1785, Arbroath.Merchant seaman. Married Margaret Paris on the reported date of 9 February 1807; children are recorded. |
| Isabel | Born 14 August; baptised 15 August 1790, Arbroath.Her later life remains untraced. |
| John | Born 22 January; baptised 25 January 1792, Arbroath.His later life remains untraced. |
| Margaret | Born 18 December; baptised 31 December 1794, Arbroath.Married David Moir, merchant seaman, on the reported date of 13 February 1814; children are recorded. |
| Alexander | Born 21 June; baptised 23 June 1797, Arbroath.His later life remains untraced. |
| Mary | Born 16 October; baptised 19 October 1798, Arbroath.Her later life remains untraced. |
| Patrick | Born 20 June; baptised 23 June 1801, Arbroath.His later life remains untraced. |
Identifying the shipmasterOpen for the link between the 1739 baptism and the later household.
The baptism establishes James as Patrick and Agnes’s son. His identification with Margaret Johnston’s husband is carried in the family research; a record explicitly connecting the adult shipmaster with his parents would strengthen that link.
The marriage references distinguish the contract from the later marriage entry. The children’s dates above preserve separate birth and baptism dates. James’s own death and burial have not been securely identified.
Sources include the Old Parish Registers of St Vigeans, Arbroath, Arbirlot and Barry, and the statutory death entries for Robert Lamb (Perth, 1860) and Isabella Doig (Arbroath, 1864). See Explore the Records for the source discussion, DNA representation and outstanding questions.
Explore the Records
Parish registers follow Patrick and Agnes from their 1726 marriage into a family rooted around Auchmithie and Arbirlot. Their descendants add further connections through farming, weaving, seafaring, and other trades. DNA supplies another part of the story, while the records leave a central question open: which Patrick Guthrie became Agnes Foord’s husband?
The Guthrie DNA Project
This family has both paternal-line and autosomal DNA representation through Patrick Guthrie and Margaret Smith, and their son Patrick/Peter Guthrie and Elizabeth Fitchett. The paternal results connect the Guthrie–Foord line with the Guthries of Craigie and the wider GFG1A family. That relationship supports the investigation of Patrick’s proposed Dundee parentage, but it does not identify his parents by itself.
| Child | Y-DNA | Big-Y | Autosomal |
|---|---|---|---|
| Jannet | N/A | N/A | — |
| Patrick | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| Barbara | N/A | N/A | — |
| Anna | N/A | N/A | — |
| James | — | — | — |
✓ = participation recorded; — = no participation currently recorded for that child’s line, not evidence of no descendants. N/A = Patrick’s paternal Y-DNA cannot pass through a daughter. Autosomal participation identifies a represented descendant line; it does not prove inheritance of a detectable DNA segment from this particular couple.
What Have We Learned?
The Craigie connection is a useful genetic clue. The ordinary paternal marker tests show shared features between the Craigie and Guthrie–Foord descendants. These may reflect inherited changes from a shared ancestor. They do not yet tell us whether that ancestor was James Guthrie, husband of Christian Scott, or a man further back in the family.
Big-Y adds a more detailed comparison. Among the men who have taken this test, the Guthrie–Foord descendant and a participant surnamed Godfrey share a more recent paternal ancestor with each other than with the tested John Guthrie–Elizabeth Baskett and John William Guthrie–Elizabeth White lines. The October 2026 estimate places their shared ancestor around the middle of the 1600s, with a range of uncertainty. The Godfrey family’s documentary connection remains unknown; this does not establish Godfrey descent from Patrick and Agnes.
Some important comparisons remain unavailable. A Craigie Big-Y result has not been established in the project evidence reviewed here, and no independently documented Rescobie candidate line has been identified for comparison. The ordinary marker tests, Big-Y results, and family records must therefore be considered together. The GFG1A Hub explains the broader group relationships.
Tested Lineages & Genetic DetailsOpen for kit references, inherited marker clues, and the Big-Y time estimate.
Recorded Descendant Paths
These abbreviated paths stop with historical generations. The two Guthrie–Foord paths below both pass through Patrick/Peter and Elizabeth Fitchett; they do not represent two different sons of the original Patrick and Agnes.
- Guthrie–Foord: kit 72673, Big Y-700, R-FTA50022. Patrick Guthrie & Agnes Foord → Patrick Guthrie & Margaret Smith → Patrick/Peter Guthrie & Elizabeth Fitchett → John Guthrie & Agnes Milne → George Guthrie & Ann Petrie.
- Guthrie–Foord: Family Finder representation. Patrick Guthrie & Agnes Foord → Patrick Guthrie & Margaret Smith → Patrick/Peter Guthrie & Elizabeth Fitchett → Jane/Jean Guthrie & James Mather → Peter Mather & Ann Salmond.
- Craigie comparator: kit 74203, Y-111. James Guthrie & Christian Scott → James Guthrie & Elizabeth Gardyne → James Guthrie & Aemilia Murray → George Dempster Guthrie & Barbara Dunbar → James Baillie Guthrie & Augusta Giani. The displayed R-M269 designation is broad; it does not establish a detailed Big-Y placement.
- Godfrey comparator: kit 294936, Big Y-700, R-FTA50022. The recorded family reaches William Godfrey, reportedly born in Pennsylvania and later associated with Indiana. A documentary link to the Guthrie families has not been established. Kit 279730 is an earlier Y-12 record for the same participant, not another independent descendant line.
Possible Inherited STR Markers
STRs are the numbered markers compared in the ordinary Y-DNA tests. In the project comparison, Craigie and Guthrie–Foord share DYS525 = 11, against the more usual value of 10. Guthrie–Foord and Godfrey share DYS650 = 19, against the more usual value of 20.
These are candidate inherited patterns. A marker can change independently or change back, so a shared value alone cannot identify a particular ancestor or place an untested line on a Big-Y branch.
Big-Y and the Shared Ancestor
The Guthrie–Foord and Godfrey results share R-FTA50022. The FamilyTreeDNA time-tree information reviewed on 3 October 2026 placed their shared paternal ancestor’s estimated birth around 1651. This is an estimate with a range of uncertainty, not an exact birth date. It does not name that ancestor or date an undocumented change of surname.
The Craigie result cannot yet be assigned to this same detailed branch. Its Y-111 comparison remains useful, but it does not substitute for a confirmed Big-Y placement.
Method references: FamilyTreeDNA’s paternal-line testing overview, STR and SNP explanations, and autosomal inheritance guide.
Where Additional Descendants Could HelpOpen for the family lines that could add a useful comparison.
- A separate father-to-son line from Patrick and Agnes. A documented male-line descendant of their son James, associated in the family research with Margaret Johnston, would add a comparison outside the younger Patrick’s line. The connection between the shipmaster and the 1739 child also deserves further documentary support.
- Other sons of Patrick Guthrie and Margaret Smith. A documented male line outside Patrick/Peter and Elizabeth Fitchett would help determine which genetic features were already present in the earlier generations.
- Craigie and the Rescobie families. Big-Y evidence from a willing, documented Craigie male-line descendant could clarify that branch’s position. A securely documented male line from either Rescobie candidate family could help test the competing identities; no such comparator is currently established.
- Descendants through any child. Family papers, identified photographs, gravestone information, and documented lineages are welcome. Autosomal comparisons may help with later generations, but a match alone would not prove this eighteenth-century parentage, and a missing match would not disprove descent.
The Guthrie–Foord line already has a Big-Y test. The useful next comparisons would add independently documented family lines.
Patrick’s Parents: The Remaining Question
The proposed identification with the Dundee son of James Guthrie and Christian Scott has a positive basis in the family’s paternal DNA connection to Craigie. The missing piece is a record connecting that child to the adult Patrick who married Agnes Foord. Other recorded Patricks must still be traced before the identification can be considered secure.
Compare the Patrick Guthrie CandidatesOpen for the Dundee and Rescobie baptisms and what remains unresolved.
| Candidate | Evidence & Unresolved Link |
|---|---|
| 5 October 1704Dundee baptism | Son of James Guthrie and Christian Scott. Patrick Scott, mariner, is identified as an uncle. This is the proposed identity represented by this page’s place in the family hub. The baptism establishes the child’s parents; it does not identify his later wife. |
| 29 August 1700Rescobie baptism OPR 317/10/46 |
Son of Thomas Guthrie, baptised with his twin James. The mother is unnamed. The residence is tentatively read as Boghillok[?]. This child’s later life has not been securely connected to, or excluded from, the Guthrie–Foord household. |
| 4 September 1689Rescobie baptism | Son of David Guthrie of Carsbank and Helen Campbell. This earlier candidate remains in the research because no conclusive exclusion has been established. An older age at marriage would not, by itself, settle his identity. |
The Carsbank lead: a published Gray’s Inn admission dated 28 July 1741 identifies Patrick as a son of David Guthrie of Carsbank. The reference is Joseph Foster’s The Register of Admissions to Gray’s Inn, 1521–1889 (1889), page 375. The admission and the Carsbank estate records need to be compared with the baptism before identifying the entrant with the 1689 child.
The Thomas Guthrie household: Rescobie entries for John in 1696, Margaret in 1702, and Thomas in 1704 may help trace the family of the 1700 twins. A repeated father’s name is not sufficient to join all of these entries into one household.
No independently documented Y-DNA line from either Rescobie candidate family is currently available to resolve the comparison. The existing Craigie match therefore supports shared paternal ancestry without selecting Patrick’s childhood identity.
Agnes Foord’s OriginsOpen for the Lundie and Fowlis candidate.
A parish entry dated 10 March 1708 at Lundie and Fowlis names Agnes, daughter of Alexander Foord and Isobel Bell. This is a candidate for Agnes of Arbirlot, not an established identification. The entry’s event wording and this family’s later records need to be checked against the 1726 marriage.
Thomas Ford, named alongside Patrick Guthrie Senior at David Guthrie’s 1762 baptism, is another person worth tracing. His surname is a useful lead, but the entry does not state that he was related to Agnes.
Family-Specific Records
OPR means Old Parish Registers. Search the names, dates, and parishes at ScotlandsPeople. A contract or proclamation entry is not automatically the wedding date; a baptism is not automatically the birth date.
| Record | What It Tells Us |
|---|---|
| Patrick & Agnes3 June 1726 entry | Names Patrick of St Vigeans and Agnes of Arbirlot. The quoted wording records their names being given up for proclamation, followed by three Sundays of proclamation and marriage at St Vigeans. It supports marriage in 1726, without establishing 3 June as the wedding day. |
| Their Five Children1729–1739 baptisms | Jannet, 27 May 1729; Patrick, 17 October 1731; Barbara, 1 March 1734; Anna, 5 May 1736; James, 20 May 1739. The entries associate the household with Auchmithie and Cottown of Auchmithie. Patrick’s entry is in the Arbroath register but describes the parents as belonging to St Vigeans. |
| Barbara & John Lamb4 & 19 October 1755 Arbirlot and Arbroath |
The Arbirlot entry records a 4 October contract and marriage after proclamation; the Arbroath marriage-register entry is dated 19 October. Both originals give 1755. John belonged to Aberbrothock, or Arbroath, and Barbara to Arbirlot. Neither entry names her parents. |
| Patrick & Margaret Smith8 May 1756 entry Arbirlot |
Records their contract, followed by marriage after proclamation. Their family includes eight recorded children. The 1759 baptism of James calls his father Peter; the two James entries, in 1759 and 1771, must both be retained. |
| Anna & George Butchart2 November 1759 entry Arbirlot |
Identifies Anna as a daughter of Patrick Guthrie in Acres Crudie. George is a weaver at Cottertown of Peasie Hill. Proclamations on 4, 11, and 18 November precede the marriage; 2 November is the registration date. |
| David Guthrie’s Baptism31 December 1762 Arbirlot |
The son of Patrick Guthrie and Margaret Smith has Patrick Guthrie Senior and Thomas Ford named as witnesses. Senior may be the child’s grandfather, but the entry does not explicitly give that relationship. |
| James & Margaret Johnston29 November / 13 December 1783 | The family account distinguishes a November contract entry from the December St Vigeans marriage entry and identifies James as a shipmaster. Further evidence connecting this adult to Patrick and Agnes’s 1739 son would strengthen the identification. |
| Robert Lamb’s Death5 February 1860 Perth |
The statutory-record transcription names his parents as John Lamb, farmer, and Barbara Guthrie. This supports the Lamb household but does not name Barbara’s own parents. |
| Isabella Butchart’s Death16 July 1864 Arbroath |
The statutory-record transcription identifies the widow of Robert Doig as a daughter of George Butchart and Ann Guthrie. Her recorded age of 93 does not agree precisely with the attributed 1773 baptism; both details should remain visible in the research. |
Register References & Reading the EntriesOpen for source locations and distinctions that matter.
- Barbara Guthrie and John Lamb, 1755: Arbirlot OPR marriages, parish 271, viewer page 297 of 388; Arbroath OPR marriages, parish 272, viewer page 23 of 176. These are digital viewer positions, not a claim to complete volume references or manuscript page numbers.
- James Guthrie, 1759: Arbirlot baptism register, manuscript page 172; born 1 December, baptised 2 December; father written as Peter Guthrie, mother Margaret Smith.
- James Guthrie, 1771: Arbirlot OPR 271/10/218; baptised 7 October. Reuse of the name does not, on its own, prove that the earlier James died.
- The Rescobie Thomas Guthrie entries: John, 22 September 1696, OPR 317/10/33; twins Patrick and James, 29 August 1700, OPR 317/10/46; Margaret, 25 April 1702, OPR 317/10/53; Thomas, 30 April 1704, OPR 317/10/61. These are records to compare, not an already proven sibling group.
The 1860 and 1864 death details above follow the statutory-record transcriptions in the family research. Their informants supplied parental information many decades after the parents’ births. They are valuable evidence, but each statement should be assessed alongside the earlier parish records.
Local spellings also vary. The 1731 entry’s parish is St Vigeans; it does not establish a separate settlement called “Strigoary” or “Stigoary”. Registration in Arbroath does not by itself show that the family had moved there.
Reading & Resources
Special Collections & Research SourcesOpen for the wider Craigie ancestry, testaments, and connected family profiles.
- Guthrie of Craigie: The Lyon Pedigree explains the corrected 1773 pedigree and its place beside contemporary records. It supplies context for the Craigie connection; it does not independently prove the identity of Agnes Foord’s husband.
- Guthrie of Eassie & Hiltoun provides the documentary reconstruction relevant to the revised Craigie ancestry and the reassessment of the traditional Guthrie-of-Guthrie connection.
- Commissariot of Brechin is a finding aid for testaments. The entry dated 6 November 1736 names David Guthrie, lawful son of the deceased David Guthrie of Carsbank. The underlying record could help distinguish the Carsbank generations; it is not proof that Patrick of Carsbank married Agnes Foord.
- Special Collections Directory brings together related document studies and published-source research.
- Patrick in the Guthrie Research Tree connects the descendant profiles and their supporting records. Ancestry may require sign-in.
- ScotlandsPeople provides the parish-register, statutory-record, and testament searches used to investigate these households.
Most Wanted DocumentsOpen to see which discoveries could answer the remaining questions.
- A record identifying Patrick’s parents. A marriage contract, testament, deed, apprenticeship, or other record naming both Patrick and a parent or sibling could connect the adult husband of Agnes Foord to one of the childhood candidates.
- The later lives of the Rescobie candidates. Trace Thomas Guthrie’s twins and the Carsbank Patrick through marriages, estates, burgh records, and the reported Gray’s Inn admission. Evidence identifying them elsewhere may be as useful as a direct connection to Agnes.
- Agnes Foord’s family. Seek a record linking Agnes of Arbirlot to Alexander Foord and Isobel Bell, or identifying a different parental household. Thomas Ford’s appearances among later family associates offer another lead.
- Patrick and Agnes’s deaths, occupations, and estate papers. Records naming a spouse, child, address, or heir could help distinguish them from people with the same names and clarify the family’s move from the Auchmithie area toward Arbirlot.
- Connections between the children and their adult households. A record naming Barbara Lamb’s Guthrie parents or siblings, or identifying the shipmaster James’s parents, would strengthen those links. The 1755 Lamb marriage entries themselves are already located.
- Jannet’s later life and independently documented descendant lines. Marriage contracts, testaments, family Bibles, and records naming siblings may identify her more securely than a same-name marriage alone. Further male-line pedigrees through the sons would also broaden the DNA comparisons.
Help Us Follow This Family
Do you have a family Bible, a letter, a gravestone photograph, or a record naming one of these relatives? A small detail may help connect the Auchmithie household with its later families—or identify the parents of Patrick and Agnes.
Share a Record or Family Connection. Please include the source and the names, dates, and places involved. Descendants through every child are welcome, whether or not they have taken a DNA test.