Guthrie Family Group 3A
FRANCIS GUTHRIE JR (b.1720-30 – d.1799-1800TN) / SUSANNAH (MNU)
of Lancaster County, PA, Botetourt County, VA, & Hawkins County, TN

FRANCIS GUTHRIE JR
Parent (Theorized): Francis Guthrie Sr of Coleraine Twp, Lancaster, PA
Born: 1720-1730
Location: Unknown, possibly in Pennsylvania
Marriage: Unknown, est. about 1750-60 in Pennsylvania
Occupation: Unknown
Death: 1799-1800
Location: East Tennessee
Burial: Unknown, presumably in East Tennessee

SUSANNAH (Maiden Name Unknown)
Parents: Unidentified
Born: 1730-1740
Location: Unknown
Guthrie Children: Alexander Guthrie, Francis Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, James W Guthrie, William Guthrie
Death: Abt. 1832
Location: Unknown, possibly in East Tennessee
Burial: Unknown, presumably in East Tennessee

NOTES:
Everything about Francis Guthrie Jr has been reconstructed from Tax, Census, and Court Records building and following a trail of evidence. Earlier publications merged this man’s data with his father, Francis Guthrie Sr making it appear that the older man lived much longer. The identity of Francis Jr’s wife, Susannah, is found in the probate papers of her son, James W. Guthrie. It is unknown whether she was the only spouse and mother to Francis’ children, but she would likely have been at least a few years younger due to her DOD in 1832 More info is needed, along with some descendants participating in YDNA and Autosomal DNA testing.

GUTHRIE CHILDREN (Theorized): 5
Y-DNA Project Participants: None
Autosomal DNA Participants: None

CHILD 1: ALEXANDER GUTHRIE
Born 1760-66 VA – Died Aft. 1824 TN
Spouse: Jean McFerran

Alexander Guthrie shows up in the Botetourt County, Virginia Tax Records in 1782 along with Francis Guthrie. Being counted as a tithable indicates that Alexander is either above 16 or 21 years of age. He continues to show up on the Personal Property Tax records with Francis Guthrie through 1790.

On 24 Nov 1791, Alexander Guthrie and Jean McFerran were married with Samuel McFerran as their witness/ security. They moved to Jefferson County, Tennessee by 24 Fev 1796 when Alexander purchased a tract of 300 acres on the waters of ‘Noley Chuckey’ on the west fork of Flat Creek.

Guthrie Children: 1 known
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – No Known Sons
Autosomal DNA Participants: None

1.) Anne Guthrie 1793TN-1845AR m.(1818TN) James Felkor +children

CHILD 2: FRANCIS GUTHRIE III
Born 1760-1780 VA (Theoretical Child)

There is documentation of a Francis Guthrie in 1793 and 1794 in the Territory South of the Ohio River, on a Muster Roll as a private in a detachment of mounted infantry under the command of James Orr in Hawkins Regiment of Hamilton District Militia. This is long after Francis Sr or Jr would be in active military service. Possible that some or all of the Hawkins, TN documents belong to this third generation Francis Guthrie.

Guthrie Children: None Known
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – No Known Descendants
Autosomal DNA Participants: N/A – No Known Descendants

CHILD 3: NANCY GUTHRIE
Born 1767-1770 VA (Theoretical Child)
Spouse: Thomas Cribbins

Listed among the Botetourt, VA early marriages is Nancy Guthrie and Thomas Cribbins on 9 Oct 1787. The named Thomas Cribbins pops up in Shaw’s Co., Isaac Robert’s Regiment of Militia in the Territory South of the Ohio in 1794. He was a fifer. The name is also found in Sumner County, TN in April 1790 as a juror, and on the Sumner Tax List for 1792 with 1 white poll.

Sumner County, TN is also home to descendants of GFG2A Branches A, I, and N, so caution should be used when examining records for Nancy (Guthrie) Cribbens.

Thomas and Nancy (Guthrie) Cribbens are credited with one known son, Thomas Henry Cribbins born between 1781-90 per the census estimation, or 1788-90 if after their marriage. The family appears to have moved to the Arkansas Territory before 1830 where Thomas Cribbins and family are listed in the census:
1M and 1F 40-49
2M 20-29
1M 15-19
1F 10-14
1M and 1F 5-9
2F under 5
1F 60-69 (born 1761-70)
Census Note: The older female fits the age range for Nancy (Cribbins) Guthrie, although ther is no guarantee that it is her versus a mother-in-law or other relative. She is not listed with the family during the 1840 census.

The online trees for the Cribbins family appear to be tangled up with those of another man (or men) by the same name.

Guthrie Children: 1
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: None

1.) Thomas Henry Cribbins born 1788-90 TN m. Rhoda Dawson + children (Need Documentation / DNA)

CHILD 4: JAMES W GUTHRIE
Born abt. 1769 – Died abt. 1829 TN
Spouse: Isabella (Carmichael) Trotter

Francis Jr and his son James’ arrival in Tennessee is unclear, primarily because that area was in a state of flux. In 1783, Greene County, North Carolina was formed from Washington County drawing settlers from NC, VA, and the Atlantic seaboard. The following year, Greene County, Washington County, Sullivan County, and the Western territories of North Carolina participated in the creation of the State of Franklin. Greeneville was designated its capital. Divided loyalties caused the state to collapse in 1788. The Territory South of the Ohio River, more commonly known as the Southwest Territory, became an incorporated territory of the United States exiting from 26 May 1790 until 1 Jun 1796 when it was admitted to the U.S. as the State of Tennessee.

James W Guthrie and Archebald Simpson were issued 200 acres in a NC Patent Grant (No. 645) in January of 1795. James purchased 300 acres on Lick Creek in Greene County on 14 Sep 1795, prior to official statehood. He was appointed as the overseer of the road from Blue Springs to Bulls Gap, and was granted rights to keep a Ferry over Lick Creek providing boats and crafts to convey travelers over the creek, including horses and carriages.

During April 1798, the court directed James to pay maintenance for a bastard child born of Barbara Thorn. No identity known for the child. He is not the adopted son, Andrew S Guthrie, for he was born in 1801.

He married Isabella (Carmichael) Trotter on 15 Feb 1798. She was the widow of Alexander Trotter with whom she had a daughter, Susannah, and two sons, David and Joseph Trotter. James and Isabella adopted Andrew S Guthrie, whose birth parents are unidentified (see Guthrie Family Group 10). They had one some of their own, James G Guthrie.

Adopted Guthrie Children: 1
Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes (See GFG10)
Autosomal DNA Participants: Yes

Biological Guthrie Children: 1
Y-DNA Project Participants: None
Autosomal DNA Participants: None

CHILD 5 – ?: WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Born abt. 1779
Spouse: Hannah Smiley

Condsidering the age gap between the other children designated for Francis Jr, it is possible that William Guthrie was not a son, but some other relation, or no relation at all. He is found in the records of Greene County, TN and married the on 1 Feb 1800 to Hannah Smiley.

Guthrie Children: None Known
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – No Known Descendants
Autosomal DNA Participants: N/A – No Known Descendants

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1720-1730: Estimated DOB no later than 1730
Since Francis Guthrie is taxed as a Freeman in 1751, he must therefore by definition be a single man of at least 21 years of age making his DOB no later than 1730. It is also probable that Francis Jr is younger than his brother Robert, born in 1727, because it is Robert who ends up (presumably) inheriting the land from their father.

1751: PA, Lancaster County, Colerain Township. Tax Records.
Two men named Francis Guthrie are listed in the tax records, one a landholder/inmate, and the other a freeman. Theorized to be father and son, this man was over 21 years of age, single, landless, and not living in his father’s household.

1756: PA, Lancaster County, Colerain Township. Tax Records.
This is the next available year for tax records. Listed as a freeman. He is the only Francis Guthrie listed in the records and still not a landholder. His father is presumed dead.

1757: PA, Lancaster County, Colerain Township. Tax Records.
Listed as a Freeman. Again, not yet a landowner. This is Francis Guthrie’s last appearance on the Lancaster, PA tax lists even though there are records available for 1758 and 1759.
It is possible that Francis Guthrie is the “poor man” listed next to brother Robert Guthrie on the 1758 list with his first name written as Robert and then crossed out, but not corrected. 

1758-1769: Location Unknown.
Francis Guthrie’s brothers, Robert and John, were in Frederick, MD in the 1760s. Francis Guthrie may have moved to Botetourt County, VA. This county also appears to be the home of the Fowlers, a family known to have GFG3A connections. Tithable Lists (Taxes) are available 1770-1789. The county was formed from Augusta, VA in 1770. Virginia is home to numerous Guthrie families whose origins may or may not be identified. Also in the area: The GFG2A-Branch H family of William Guthrie & Esther McClellan who were there about 1777, went back to PA briefly about 1795 and settled in Shenandoah, VA in 1796. Associated with the Gilkeson family of Augusta, VA. Also arriving in the area about 1775 was William Guthrie, a Methodist minister & weaver. He married Eleanor Elder in Frederick, MD, and was in VA by the 1780s. After his wife’s death he married again having 8 daughters by the two wives. He received a 1790 land grant in Botetourt, VA along Sinking Creek later sold by his heirs to John Moody. Neither of these families is associated with any sons by the name of Francis or Alexander, which is important for findings believed to be associated with Francis Guthrie Jr’s family.

1770: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records
Francis Guttery is listed as delinquent in paying his taxes. Fowlers also listed.

1771: VA, Botetourt County. Tax & Court Records
Frances Guthrey is listed with 1 tithable. No land tax. Fowlers also listed.
Francis Guthrie is listed as a juror for Botetourt in the case of William Simpson v. William Herbert

1772: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records
Francis Guthrie is listed with 1 tithable. Fowlers also listed.

1773: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records
No Guthries or Fowlers listed this year. No Fowlers until 1784.

1774: VA, Botetourt County. Tax & Court Records
Francis Guthrie is not listed on the tax list. A James Guffy is present on the same page as several Gilkesons.
Francis Guthrie is listed as a juror in the case of Israel Christian, assignee of Thomas Arnett, plaintiff v. Benjamin Hawkins, defendant

1775: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records
Francis Guthrey makes an appearance again on the tax records.

1778: VA, Botetourt County. Court Records
Francis Guthery was appointed by the court to take and keep the courthouse clean til next court

1782: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records
Francis & Alex. Gutrie are listed.

1783: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records
Francis Guthrey: 1 tithable, 2 horses, 5 cattle

1784: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records
Francis Guthry: 2 tithable, 4 horses, 11 cattle, also listed: Fowlers

1785: VA, Botetourt County. County Census.
Francis Guthrey: 10 white persons in household, 1 dwelling house, 0 other buildings
This year a William Guthrey 7 , 1, 0 is also listed and likely represents the household of Rev. William Guthrie & Eleanor Elder.

1787: VA, Botetourt County. Tax & Marriage Records.
Francis Guttery 24 Apr 1797: 1 white tithable over 21, 1 white under 21, 4 horses, 10 cattle, name Cribbins also listed
Alexander Guttery 3 May 1787: 1 white tithable over 21, 3 horses, 2 cattle 
James Guttry: 1 tithable over 16 and under 21, 1 horse

Marriage of Nancy Guthrie to Thomas Cribbins 9 Oct 1787, Witness: John Wood.

Notes: Two years earlier a census showed Francis’ household to consist of 10 people. Francis, a presumed wife, Alexander, James, Nancy, the 1 other son identified here as 16-21 give us 6 of the 10.

1788: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records.
Francis Guthry: 1 tithable over 16, 5 horses
Allex Gullifore (possible spelling variation of Guthrie): 6 horses
William Guthry above 21, 2 horses
Thomas Cribbins is also listed.

1789: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records.
Francis Guttery and Alexander Guttery were both assessed on the same day 17 May with their names adjacent suggesting they lived closely.
Francis Guttery: 1 male tithable over 16, 5 horses
Alexander Guttery: 1 male tithable over 16, 3 horses

1790: VA, Botetourt County. Tax Records.
Francis Guttery and Alexander Guttery both assessed 30 Apr and listed adjacent.
Guttery, Frances: No white male tithables, 4 horses
Guttery, Alexander: 1 white male tithable over 16, 4 horses
Guttery, James: 1 white male tithable over 16, 3 horses on 11 May
This is the last entry for Francis Guthrie in Botetourt, VA after which a Francis Guthry shows up in NC/TN. 

1791: VA, Botetourt County. Marriage Records.
Alexander Guthrie to Jane McFerran 22 Nov 1791, Witness: Samuel McFerran. This couple moved to Jefferson, TN by 1793.

1793:NC (TN), Hawkins County. Early NC and TN Land Records
10 Dec 1793 – Registered 27 Dec 1793 – Francis Maybury of Virginia to Francis Guthrey of Hawkins, Territory S. Of OH for 50 pounds parcel of land containing 640 acres

1794: Early NC and TN Land Records – Francis Guthry – 450 acres in Hawkins County on the n. side of Clinch River.
If this is the same Francis Guthrie as believed to be Francis Guthrie Jr, born no later than 1730, he would be at least 64 years of age at this time.
12 Jun 1794 – Francis Guthrey of Hawkins to John Morrison of same – 40 pounds – land 640 acres in Hawkins
11 Mar 1794 – Registered 7 Jun 1794 – James Blair of Hawkins, Territory S of the Ohio to Francis Guthrie of Same for 20 pounds, parcel of land containing 300 acres on the north side of the Cumberland Mountains.
9 Sep 1794 (Registered 18 Feb 1795) – Francis Guthery of Hawkins to David Ross of Virginia for 40 pounds land containing 450 acres in Hawkins.

1795: NC (TN), Hawkins County. Early NC and TN Land Records
James Guthrie and Archibald Simpson – 200 acres in Hawkins
Note: This is James Guthrie who m. Isabella (Carmichael) Trotter and lived in Hawkins & Greene County, TN. His mother’s name is documented as Susannah, which appears to make it very likely that Francis Guthrie Jr married a woman by that name.

1796: TN, Hawkins County. Real Estate Conveyances.
Sep 1796 – Registered 2 Dec 1796 – Francis Guthrey of Hawkins TN to David Kincaid of same. For $150 parcel of land on the north side of the Cumberland Mountains (acreage?)

1797: TN, Hawkins County, Real Estate Conveyances.
6 Mar 1797 – Francis Guthry of Hawkins TN to Samuel Curry of same. Consideration of $1000, 640 acres in Hambleton District.

8 Mar 1797 – Registered 15 May 1797 – John Marriett of Greene County TN to Francis Guthrie of Hawkins TN for 200 pounds parcel of land containing 640 acres in Eastern District. This is the last entry found for Francis Guthrie, who presumably died in East Tennessee bet. 1797-1800.

Other Notes:
The wife of Francis Guthrie, Jr is presumed to be Susannah, who is named by James Guthrie of East TN as his mother. It is possible that her maiden name was King, but there needs to be some research on this point. Author LRG erroneously identified James Guthrie’s wife as Isabella King, listing her as the daughter of a James King from Frederick County, VA. Isabella was actually a Carmichael. The following deed appears to be the source of LRG’s conclusion. The presumption is that the inheritance came by way of Isabella’s relatives rather than James’. The document in no way defines that connection as hers. What if James Guthrie was instead the grandson of James King?

Oct 30 1802:—James Gutherie of Greene County, Tenn., and Isabella, his wife, and George Wright, and Mary his wife, heirs of James King, deceased, late of Frederick County, Va in consideration of the sum $2,000.00 sell to Anthony Rittenour two tracts of land in Frederick County, VA, one containing 202 acres, which was granted by Lord Fairfax by deed dated Jan 5, 1768, to James King, deceased; the second tract being adjacent to the first and containing 88 acres, was granted by Lord Fairfax by deed dated Dec. 21, 1774, to the said James King. In the presence of Samuel Kercheval, David Carlisle, John Cadwalader. (Signed) James Gurtherie, Isabella Gurthrie, George Wright, Mary Wright. (Frederick County Virginia Deeds, vol 27, p/669)

READING and RESOURCES

GUTHRIE GENEALOGY BLOG: The Forgotten Sons
Discussion on the family of Francis Guthrie Sr of Colerain Township, Lancaster, PA and his family, including two sons, John and Francis Jr, who have been left out of the family records.

DOCUMENTS: Tax Records are available for Lancaster County, Pennsylvania on FHL Film #008353956 for the following years:
1751, 1756-1759, 1763, 1769-1773, 1775, 1777-1783, 1785-1788, 1790-1793, 1797-1798, 1800-1803, 1805-1814, 1817-1822, 1824-1827, 1829-1833, 1835, 1837, 1839-1846, plus additional undated and/or partial tax records.

Types of Tax Records:
1) Return of Taxables: a list of names with taxable property, no value assigned
2) Assessment: a list of names with taxable property values
3) Rates: a list of names with the amount of taxCategories of Taxables:
1) Landholder – held land by lease or deed (PA taxed the primary occupant)
2) Inmate – married or widowed, landless (contract labor)
3) Freeman – single, free men at least 21 years of age (as of 1718) out of servitude or apprenticeship at least 6 months. Before 1755 single men living with their parents were not taxed. 
4) Nonresident landowner – owner of unseated (unoccupied) land
Source: 18th Century Tax (General Information)

DOCUMENTS: Virginia, USA Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1800-1890
Francis Guthrey, Residence Year 1785, Robinsons Dist., Botetourt, Virginia. Digital Repository: Ancestry.com

DOCUMENTS: Deed Books (Botetourt County, Virginia), General Index to Deeds, Grantors., 1770-1889, Botetourt County, Virginia, FHL Film # 007893746. 882 Images. Digital Repository: Family Search.
General Index to Deeds A to L Grantor 1 to 45. Letter G entries starting at Image 153 of 882 thru 169 of 882.
No Guthrie entries found.

DOCUMENTS: Deed Books (Botetourt County, Virginia), General Index to Deeds, Grantees., 1770-1889, Botetourt County, Virginia, FHL Film # 007893746. 882 Images. Digital Repository: Family Search.
General Index to Deeds A to L Grantee 1 to 45. Letter G entries starting at image 599 of 882 thru 615 of 882.
Image 613 – 1794 – William Guthery from Phillip Williams – Deep Book 5 – Page 177

DOCUMENTS: Personal Property Tax Lists, 1783-1810, Botetourt County, Virginia, FHL Film 007849091, 697 Images. Digital Repository: Family Search.

DOCUMENTS: Deed of Sale by Francis Guthrey to John Morrison made 10 June 1794, Registered 12 June 1794. Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, Deed Books, v. 1-2 1787-1801, Deed Book 2, page 459, FHL Film 3007897805, IMG 302 of 478

DOCUMENTS: Property Purchase by Francis Guthrey from Francis Mayberry for 640 acres, 10 Dec 1793. Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, Deed Books, v. 1-2 1787-1801, Deed Book 2, page 127, FHL Film 3007897805, IMG 285 of 478.

DOCUMENTS: Property Purchase by Francis Guthrey from James Blair, 11 Mar 1794, Registered 7 Jun 1794. Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, Deed Books, v. 1-2 1787-1801, Deed Book 2, page 141, FHL Film #007897805, IMG 293 of 478.

DOCUMENTS: Deed of Sale by Francis Guthery to David Ross. Consideration of 40 pounds, 450 acres, Deed Made 9 Sep 1794, Registered 18 Feb 1795. Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, Deed Books, v. 1-2 1787-1801, Deed Book 2, page 200, FHL Film #007897805, IMG 322 of 478.

DOCUMENTS: Deed of Sale by Francis Guthrey to David Kincaid, Sept. 1796, Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, v.3-4 1801-1819, Deed Book 3, FHL Film #007903461, IMG 69 of 598.

DOCUMENTS: Property Purchase by Francis Guthrey from John Marriett, Consideration of 200 pounds, 640 acres, Dated 9 Mar 1797, Registered 15 May 1797. Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, Deed Books, v.3-4 1801-1819, Deed Book 3, FHL Film #007903461, IMG 88 of 598.

DOCUMENTS: Deed of Sale by Francis Guthery to John Curry, 6 Mar 1797. Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, Deed Books, v.3-4 1801-1819, Deed Book 3, page175, FHL Film #007903461, IMG 92 of 598

DOCUMENTS: Property Sale by Francis Guthrey to David Kincaid, Made 27 Feb 1798, Registered 13 May 1798. Consideration $500, 400 acres. Deeds, 1789-1894, Hawkins County, TN, Deed Books, v. 1-2 1787-1801, Deed Book 2, page 366, FHL Film #007897805, IMG 406 of 478.

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