Guthrie Family Group 5 – Branch H
John Guthrie (c1777 VA – 1848 MO) and Molly Bridgeford and Margaret Tiller
of Fauquier, VA and Woodford, KY and Monroe, VA

JOHN GUTHRIE
Parents: Thomas Guthrie (1744VA?-1837KY) and Mildred Howell 1748VA?-1824KY)
Birth: About 1777
Birth Location: Unverified, probably Virginia
Occupation: Unknown
Military Service: Unknown
Spouse 1: Molly Bridgeford on 29 Nov 1802 in Woodford County, KY
Spouse 2: Margaret Tiller on 1 Sep 1814 in Franklin County, KY
Death: Before 1820
Death Location: Unknown, probably Woodford or Franklin County, Kentucky, USA
Burial: Unknown, probably Woodford or Franklin County, Kentucky, USA

MOLLY BRIDGEFORD
Parents: William Bridgeford
Birth: Bef.1785 or est. (26-44 / 1766-1784 in 1810)
Birth Location: Virginia or Kentucky, unverified
Guthrie Children: Yes
Death: Bef.1814
Death Location: Woodford County, Kentucky, USA
Burial: Unknown, probably Woodford County, Kentucky

MARGARET TILLER
Parents: John Tiller (Unverified)
Birth: About 1797
Birth Location: Virginia, USA
Spouse 1: John Guthrie m. 1 Sep 1814 in Franklin County, KY
Guthrie Children: Yes
Spouse 2: William Wilford Stephen m. 31 Mar 1828 in Franklin County, KY
Stephen Children: Yes
Death: Before 1870
Death Location: Frankfort, Franklin County, Kentucky
Burial: Unknown, but probably in Franklin County, Kentucky

NOTES:

During 1777, the year John Guthrie, is said to have been born, his father was a militiaman in Cumberland County, PA. The family was not yet living in Virginia. John moved with his parents and siblings to Fauquier, VA and later Woodford, KY. ‘American Guthrie and Allied Families’ lists only one marriage to a Miss Tiller.

He married Margaret Tiller on 1 Sep 1814 in Franklin County, Kentucky, but the presence of a John Guthrie in Woodford, KY in the 1810 census with a wife, 2 sons, and a daughter suggest that the marriage may not have been his first. There is a Woodford, KY marriage between Molly Bridgeford and John Guthrie dated 29 Nov 1802 in Woodford, KY. Family trees identify a daughter, Nancy for that couple.

“The records of Scott County, KY show that October 27, 1811, he purchased land from Louis Palmer, adjoining those of Adam Montgomery, on the waters of the Elkhorn, in said county. He sold a tract of land in Woodford County, KY, situated on the North Leestown road to William Risk.” (AGAF,p.273) Note that Adam Montgomery was John’s brother-in-law married to Mildred Guthrie in 1810. This deed has not been found indexed in the Scott, KY records, although it appears what remains of Volume A was reconstructed after a fire/damage.

On 1 Sep 1814, John Guthrie married Margaret Tiller in Franklin County, Kentucky. They had one daughter born in 1817, Sarah Ann Lucinda Guthrie.

Does this notice to debtors and creditors in the wake of a John Guthrie death apply to this John Guthrie? Please note that several online trees accidentally list the 1848 death date of John’s elder brother, Thomas Guthrie, Jr, as his own.

There is no sign of John Guthrie being listed as a Head of Household in Kentucky during the 1820 census. He would be presumed dead by that date, however, there is a sale of Woodford County, KY property to William Risk dated 10 Sep 1829 to consider. It is the only land entry found in that county for anyone named John Guthrie. It is dated 10 Sep 1829 and identifies him as “John Guthrie of Woodford Kentucky”. Only one of his brothers had a known son named John, but he was born in 1830. The only possibility would be one of John’s own unidentified sons with Molly Bridgeford born between 1801-1810.

Did Margaret (Tiller) Guthrie remarry after John Guthrie’s death? Evidence suggests that she did. There is a Franklin, KY marriage of a Margaret Guthrie to William W Stephen dated 31 Mar 1828. (Source: Franklin County KY Records: Marriages 1794-1850 IMG 18 of 50) That date would fit if the above deed was John’s son rather than John himself. Margaret Stephen appears to have had several children by her second marriage. She died sometime between the 1860 and 1870 censuses.

Guthrie Children: 4
Y-DNA Project Participants: NONE
Autosomal DNA Participants: NONE

CHILD 1: JOHN GUTHRIE JR aka JOHN ‘JACK’ GUTHRIE (Speculative Identity Match)
Born: 1803-1810 KY – Died: Unknown @ Age: Unknown
Speculative Dates – Born: 1 Jan 1807 KY – Died: 19 May 1870 CA @ Age: 1870
Spouse 1: Elizabeth Wheat m. 28 Dec 1826 in Woodford County, Kentucky, USA
Spouse 2: Fairvilla Riddell (Speculative Placement) m. about 1828-1830
Guthrie Children: Yes
Y-DNA Project Participants: Speculatively, Yes
Autosomal DNA Participants: None

No longer unidentified, this John Guthrie’s relationship to the family is proven in a letter of consent to marry by his grandfather, Thomas Guthrie Sr, acting as his guardian and permitting a marriage license to be issued for John Guthrie and Elizabeth Wheat. Dated 14 Dec 1826 and witnessed by Robert Taylor and William Risk. Consent by Elizabeth’s mother, Elizabeth Wheat, is also given, dated 28 Dec 1826, and was witnessed by Richard Taylor and William Risk.

When men of this era remarried, children of the first marriage frequently remained with grandparents or other relatives, which may account for John Guthrie Jr living in Woodford County, KY while his father and stepmother were living in Franklin County, KY. This could also have happened after John Guthrie Sr’s death.

So it is likely to be John Guthrie Jr in Woodford County, KY who sold property to William Risk on 10 Sep 1829, which is the only “John Guthrie” entry in Woodford County. There is one John Guthrie listed as a Head of Household in Woodford, KY during the 1830 census: 2M 20-29, 1F 20-29, 1F under 5. Slaves: 1F 20-23, 1F under 10. The second male of 20-29 could potentially be his brother.

This family is not found in Woodford County, KY in 1840.

Speculatively, this could be the John ‘Jack’ Guthrie who married Fairvilla Riddell. YDNA matching shows a link to GFG5, so the family group is correct. Jack Guthrie was born 1 Jan 1807, which fits the census range of 1803-1810. See the John ‘Jack’ Guthrie / Fairvilla Riddell family page. It is known that Jack was married previously to Fairvilla and had 1 daughter with that wife, but the name of the wife was not documented. It makes sense that she was Elizabeth Wheat.

1.) Mary Elizabeth Guthrie: b. 1826-30KY – d. bef 1870CA m. Charles L James +children
2.) Washington Guthrie: b. 8 Jan 1831 KY – d. 13 Oct 1872 CA m.1859CA Sarah Jane Box +children
3.) Louisa Jane Guthrie: b. 15 Jun 1833 KY – 23 Jun 1919 CA m.1850 MO William Ward Wallace +children
4.) John Henry Guthrie: b. 23 Aug 1845 – d. bef. 1850

CHILD 2: (FNU SON) GUTHRIE
Born: 1803-1810 KY – Died: Unknown @ Age: Unknown
Marital Status/Spouse: Unknown
Guthrie Children: Unknown
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – No Known Descendants
Autosomal DNA Participants: N/A – No Known Descendants

The 1810 census for John Guthrie (Sr) tells us that there were 2 sons and 1 daughter in the household born between 1801 and 1810. Since John Guthrie and Molly Bridgeford were married in November of 1802, that range is narrowed to 1803-1810.

This son may be the second man of 20-29 years of age living in the household of John Guthrie (Jr) in 1830 Woodford, Kentucky.

No further details known.

CHILD 3: NANCY J GUTHRIE
Born: 7 Mar 1809 KY – Died: 6 May 1845 KY @ Age: 36
Spouse: James Pulliam Sargent m. 3 Sep 1827 in Woodford County, Kentucky, USA
Sargent Children: Yes
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: NONE

Born in 1809, Nancy J Guthrie was most likely the youngest of the three children by Molly (Bridgeford) Guthrie. It is unknown whether she lived with her father and stepmother or remained in Woodford, KY with her grandparents or other relatives. She was 18 at the time of her marriage to James Pulliam Sargent on 3 Sep 1827 in Woodford County, KY.

They had five children born between 1828 and 1835. Online trees list the birth location as being Scott County, Kentucky. No Sargent property records found in Scott County, KY or Franklin County, KY.

James Sargent died in 1837. Online trees list Franklin County, but no death data or newspaper notices found. Same for Nancy who died in 1845. Death and burial places unconfirmed.

1.) John Drury Sargent: 24 Jul 1828KY – 21 Mar 1869 m1. Lucy Bell +child; m2. Elizabeth Sullivan +children
2.) Barbara Ann Sargent: 1830KY – 1919KY m.1848KY Walker Augustus Stephens +children
3.) William Guthrie Sargent: 19 Nov 1831 KY-12 Dec 1910 KY m.1852KY Margaret Susan Hawkins +children
4.) Mary Mildred Sargent: 1833KY-28 Mar 1871KY m.1856KY Robert J Shields +children
5.) James Pulliam ‘Bird’ Sargent: 13 Nov or 18 Mar 1835KY m.1859 Ann Ewing Farmer +children

CHILD 4: SARAH ANN LUCINDA GUTHRIE
Born: 14 Aug 1817 KY – Died: 15 Aug 1866 MO @ Age: 49
Spouse: William Lavell m. 1 Sep 1842 in Franklin County, Kentucky, USA
Lavell Children: Yes
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: NONE

Sarah Ann Lucinda Guthrie was the only daughter of John Guthrie by his second marriage to Margaret Tiller. She was born on 14 Aug 1817 in Franklin County, Kentucky. Her father is believed to have died about 1819. Her mother seems to have remarried to William Stephen in 1828 Franklin County, KY, so it looks like they may have remained in the same county during that time. During the 1830 census, Sarah Ann Lucinda Guthrie would have been about 13 years of age. Her mother would have been married for about 2 years to William Stephen. The 1830 census of his household in Northern Division, Franklin, KY shows:
1F 40-49 (presumably Margaret); 1M 30-39 (William Stephens); 1F 15-19; 1F 5-9; 1M under 5. There is no female child listed in the 10-15 category. Either the age is listed incorrectly, or Sarah Ann Lucinda Guthrie was not living with her mother in 1830.

On 1 Sep 1842, she married William Lavell in Franklin County, Kentucky. (Marriage Record not found.) They were living in District 2 of Franklin County, KY in 1850. William was listed as a Miller in the Grain-Mill Products industry. During this census Sarah Ann Lucinda Lavell is listed as ‘Lucinda’ with a transcription error ‘Juranda’. Between the 1850 and 1860 censuses, the family moved from Kentucky to Missouri settling in St Ferdinand, St Louis County, Missouri. At this time, William is listed as a Farmer with $4000 worth of real estate and $300 personal estate. His wife is listed as ‘Sarah’.

Sarah Ann Lucinda (Guthrie) Lavell died on 15 August 1866 presumably as a result of childbirth. Her infant Henry Lavell was born 15 August 1866 and died the next day. Her husband died the following year on 6 Oct 1867. They are buried at Cold Water Cemetery in St Louis County, Missouri.

1.) Josephine Lavell: 1844KY – 4 Jan 1874MO m.1863KY Henry Clay Hamilton* +children
2.) William Werner Lavell: 28 Nov 1846KY – 30 Apr 1914MO m.1867MO Emily E Horine +children
3.) Adaline Virginia Lavell: 16 Jan 1850 KY – 18 Sep 1914 MO m. Henry Clay Hamilton +children
4.) Dona Lavell: Abt. 1851 KY – p1860 MO – no further details
5.) Richard Thomas Lavell: 4 Jan 1852 KY – 28 Mar 1931 MO m.1879MO Ella Betty Greenwall +children
6.) John Ezra Lavell: 2 Dec 1853 KY – 27 Mar 1931 MO m. Rebecca D (MNU) +children
7.) Charles Lavell: 22 Sep 1858 MO – 16 Nov 1939 MO m.
8.) Frances Newt Lavell
9.) Henry Lavell

READING and RESOURCES

DOCUMENTS: General Index to Deeds, Deeds 1795-1886 Franklin County, Kentucky
FHL Film #007837443
Deeds General Cross Index 1 1795-1840
Letter G Index Grantors/Grantees begins IMG 53 of 286
IMG 53 – 1810 Apr 3 – Guthrie, Alex from John Eakin – Book C-p.214
Deeds General Cross Index 2 1840-1866
Letter G Index Grantors/Grantees begins IMG 203 of 286
IMG 203 – 1849 Jan 31 – Guthrie, James of Louisville to Wm Barr Jr – Book 3-p.181
IMG 204 – 1849 Nov 28 – Guthrie, James of Louisville to John Barr – Book 3-p.345
IMG 204 – 1852 Oct 14 – Guthrie, Lewis to W W Stevens – Book 4-p.396
IMG 204 – 1851 Aug 29 – Guthrie, Martha trustee to John Smith – Book 4-p.431
IMG 205 – 1856 Jul 9 – Guthrie, Lewis of Indiana to William Stevens & wife – Book 6-p.21
IMG 206 – 1864 Sep 17 – Guthrie, Ann to Solomon Bishop – Book 8-p.125
Henry Bohannan trustee for Ann Guthrie and her children late of Franklin County KY and George W Guthrie and Margaret Lu__ his wife, Margaret S Gilmore, Thomas L Guthrie and Lewis Guthrie of Wayne County IND
NOTE: None of the above appear to be entries associated with John Guthrie who married secondly to Margaret Tiller in Franklin County in 1814. Both of his daughters, Nancy (by 1st wife Molly) and Sarah (by 2nd wife Margaret) married in Franklin County in 1827 and 1842 respectively.

DOCUMENTS: CONSENT TO MARRY – JOHN GUTHRIE/MOLLY BRIDGEFORD – Woodford, KY
by her father, William Bridgeford – 29 Nov 1802. Wit: William Green and James Bridgeford.

DOCUMENTS: Franklin County Kentucky Records: Marriages 1794-1850
IMG 18 of 50
Guthrie, John Tiller, Margaret 1 Aug 1814

DOCUMENTS: Deeds, 1789-1914, Woodford County, Kentucky. Digital Repository: Family Search.

General Indexes, v.1-4 1789-1914 – FHL 007844448
General Cross Index to Deeds 1, 1789-1845 – Letter G Index – IMG 107 of 1133
IMG 108 – Benjamin Guthrey to Herman Bowman & c – Book C1 – Page 579 – 1804 [GFG4]
IMG 109 – Benjamin Guthrey from Craig’s Trustees – Book C – Page 243 [GFG4]
IMG 110 – Thomas Guthrey Junr to Bank of KY – Book H – Page 430 – 7 May 1820
IMG 110 – Thomas Guthrie Junr to Henry David – Book I – Page 4 – Aug 1821
IMG 110 – Benjamin Guthrie from Herman Bomar – Book F – Page 307-308 – 12 Jun 1814 [GFG4]
IMG 110 – Thomas Guthrey from William Long – Book G – Page 251 – 27 Jun 1817
IMG 111 – Thomas Guthrey Junr & wife Lucy to Thomas Guthrey Sr – Book K – Page 136 – 1 Mar 1824
IMG 111 – James Guthrey to Thomas Guthrey Sr – Book K – Page 191 – 12 Aug 1824
IMG 111 – Thomas Guthrie Senr to James Guthrie – Book K – Page 152 – 2 Apr 1821
IMG 111 – James Guthrey & wife Elizabeth to Geo. E. Gillispie – Book L – Page 130 – 7 Nov 1826
IMG 111 – Thomas Guthrie Sr from Robert T Campbell – Book I – Page 351 – 13 Jan 1823
IMG 111 – Thomas Guthrey Sr from Thomas Guthrey Junr – Book K – Page 136 – 1 Mar 1824
IMG 111 – Thomas Guthrey from James Guthrey – Book K – Page 191 – 12 Aug 1824
IMG 111 – Alexander Guthrey from James D Caldwell – Book K – Page 330 – 14 Mar 1825 [GFG4]
IMG 111 – Thomas Guthrey Junr. from Robt. Campbell – Book L – Page 125 – 25 Jul 1826
IMG 112 – Thomas Guthrey Junr & wife Lucy to E.M. Blackburn – Book L – Page 201 – 14 Dec 1826
IMG 112 – Thomas Guthrey & wife Lucy to John Alexander – Book M – Page 15 – 7 Feb 1829
IMG 112 – Thomas Guthrey & wife Lucy to Edw. M. Blackburn – Book M – Page 16 – 1 Jan 1829
IMG 112 – John Guthrey to William Risk – Book M – Page 101 – 10 Sep 1829
IMG 112 – James Guthrey from Nicholas Bryant – Book M – Page 372 – 24 Feb 1830
IMG 114 – Toby Guthrey to Henry Moss – Book O – Page 341 – 1 Jun 1836
IMG 114 – Tobias Guthrie to Jacob Darnell – Book Q – Page 111 – 25 Jan 1840
IMG 114 – Tobias Guthrey to Joseph Morton – Book Q – Page 178 – 4 Apr 1840
IMG 114 – Toby Guthrey from Richard Y Walker – Book O – Page 333 – 12 Jun 1834
IMG 115 – Caleb Guthrey & c to John Guinn – Book Q – Page 270 – 23 Sep 1840
IMG 115 – Tobias Guthrie & c to Joseph Morton – Book Q – Page 484 – 4 Aug 1841
IMG 115 – Benj. Guthrey to Malinda Meredith – Book R – Page 74 – 12 Sep 1842
IMG 115 – Caleb & James Guthrey from Catharine Smith – Book Q – Page 216 – 27 Jun 1840
IMG 115 – James Guthrie from Thomas L Lee – Book Q – Page 553 – 15 Feb 1842
Cross Index to Deeds 2: 1845-1870 – Letter G Index Begins 406 of 1133
IMG 406 – Benjamin Guthrie Heirs to Harrison Brown – Book S, p.417
IMG 417 – James A Guthrie & c to Abe Buford – Book Y, p119

DOCUMENTS: Personal Property Tax Lists, 1790-1793, Woodford County, Kentucky. 
FHL 007856355. Item 4. Digital Repository: Family Search.
Woodford County Personal Property
1790 – Begins IMG 487 of 834 (film Illegible)
1791 – No Papers for 1791 – See IMG 506
1792 – Begins IMG 507 of 834 – Letter G Tax List IMG 511 of 834
1793 – Begins IMG 517 of 834 – Letter G Tax List IMG 524 of 834 

DOCUMENTS: Records of the Wills of Woodford County, KY – FHL 007547140 – Item 2. Digital Repository: Family Search.
Letter G Index – IMG 82 of 176  – No Guthrie Entries

DOCUMENTS:  Probate Records, 1781-1991, Woodford County, KY. Digital Repository: Family Search.
General Indexes, v. 1-2 1789-1991 – FHL 007553034
Letter G Index – Begins IMG 98 of 477
IMG 99 – Guthrie, Alexander, dec’d. – Wills (None), Appraisements I-288, Sales (None), Settlements M-362, Guardian Reports (None). Bundle 10.
IMG 101 – Guthrie, Joseph A., dec’d. – Willis (None), Appraisements T-309, Sales (None), Settlements U-423, Receipts U-526, Bundle 130.

DOCUMENTS: Deeds, 1793-1903, Scott County, Kentucky. Clerk of the County Court.
Indexes 1793-1866 – FHL Film 007899067
Letter G Index Begins IMG 47 of 352
James Guthrie &c, from Catherine Gibbs, widow of Julius Gibbs – 28 Oct 1834 – Book N – p.139
(POA)

DOCUMENTS: MARRIAGE CONSENTS & BOND for JOHN GUTHRIE (JR) and ELIZABETH WHEAT
Woodford County, Kentucky – 14 and 28 December 1826