Guthrie Family Group 17 – Branch C
CHARLES GUTHRIE 1781SCT-1857SCT and ISABELLA LYALL
in Tannadice and Brechin, Angus, Scotland

Charles Guthrie’s lineage is tied to Guthrie Family Group 17 through family tradition and documentation beginning with David Guthrie and Janet Stewart in Cookston and Menmuir as follows:

David Guthrie / Janet Stewart > Alexander Guthrie (I) / Anne Ker > Alexander Guthrie (II) / Jean Wyllie > Alexander Guthrie (III) / Barbara Suttie > Charles Guthrie > Isabella Lyall

Like the Guthries in previous generations, Charles Guthrie was a farmer. He married Isabella Lyall, the daughter of farmer James Lyall. They lived in Tannadice, Angus, Scotland and produced a family of nine children born between 1810 and 1823. By the time of the 1841 census, Charles and Isabella are living apart. Charles remained in Coul, while Isabella and her children were living at the Mains of Fintry and later in Liff and Benvie. Isabella died in 1851 at the age of 67 due to the “nature of decay”. Six years later, at 76, Charles Guthrie was found dead in bed, apparently having died in his sleep, on 30 October 1857.

CHARLES GUTHRIE
Parents: Alexander Guthrie (III) of Coull and Barbara ‘Baby’ Suttie
Birth: 25 March 1781
Birth Location: Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
Baptism: 25 March 1781
Occupation: Farmer
Marriage: Isabella Lyall on 20 Mar 1809 in Brechin, Angus, Scotland
Death: 30 October 1857
Death Location: Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
Burial: Unknown, presumably in Tannadice, Angus, Scotland

ISABELLA LYALL
Parents: James Lyall and Isobel Spence
Birth: September 1784
Birth Location: West Carcary, Farwell Parish, Angus, Scotland
Guthrie Children: 9
Death: 21 Dec 1851 (Age: 67)
Death Location: Blackness Road, Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Burial: Western Cemetery, Dundee, Dundee City, Scotland (Possible Family Memorial)

CHILDREN: 9
Y-DNA Project Participants: YES
Autosomal DNA Participants: YES

CHILD 1: CHARLES GUTHRIE
Born 10 Mar 1810 SCT – Died 13 Dec 1882 CT
Spouse 1: Agnes (MNU) – m. bef. 1833 in Scotland
Spouse 2: Adelia Ann Studwell – m. bet. 1851-1854 presumably in NY
Guthrie Children: 6
Buried at Putnam Cemetery, Greenwich, Fairfield County, Connecticut, USA

CHILD 2: JAMES GUTHRIE
Born 28 Mar 1811 SCT – Died 16 Jul 1889 SCT
Spouse: Elizabeth Maria Barbara Drimmie – m. 17 Jan 1855 in Monifieth, Angus, Scotland
Occupation: Jute Spinner & Merchant
Guthrie Children: 9
Buried at the Western Cemetery, Dundee, Dundee City, Scotland

James Guthrie, 41 Magdalen Road, Dundee, 40, bachelor, Merchant, born Coul Parish of Tannadice in 1815, Parents: Charles Guthrie (farmer) and Isabella Lyall; and E M B Drimmie, 20, spinster, Parents: David Drimmie (bleacher) and Jessie Irvine. (Statutory Registers Marriages 310/3 – Monifieth)

James Guthrie, yarn merchant, married to Elizabeth Maria Barbara Drimmie, died 1AM 16 Jul 1889 at Hope Park West, __ Parish, Dundee, male, 77, Parents: Charles Guthrie, farmer, deceased, and Isobel Guthrie m.s. Lyall, deceased; COD: apoplexy, as certified by A. Campbell; Informant: Jas. Guthrie Jr, son, present.

Elizabeth Maria Barbara Guthrie widow of James Guthrie, yarn merchant, died at 2PM on 22 Sep 1904 at Hope Park, Broughty Ferry Parish of Dundee, female, 69, Parents: David Drimmie, yarn bleacher, deceased, and Janet Drimmie m.s. Irvine, deceased. COD: Cardiac failure, myocarditis, carcinoma of liver, Informant: Jas Guthrie son, present, Registered 24 Sep 1904 at Dundee by Jas. Murray, registrar.

CHILD 3: ISOBELLA GUTHRIE
Born 3 Jul 1813 SCT – Died 18 Sep 1887 SCT
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Annuitant
Buried at Liff and Beavie Churchyards, Liff, Angus, Scotland (Possible Site)

Isabella Guthrie, single, died 1010PM on 18 Sep 1887 at Hilsburn Bank, East Newport, Female, 74, Parents: Charles Guthrie, farmer, deceased, and Isabella Guthrie, m.s. Lyall, deceased; COD: General Debility, as certified by Peter Campbell; Informant: Isabella Jessie ___, niece, present; Registered 25 Sep 1887 at Newport, J. Melville, Registrar. (Statutory Registers – Deaths 431/35 Forgan)

CHILD 4: MARY ANN GUTHRIE
Born 15 Mar 1815 – Died 2 Oct 1886 SCT
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Annuitant
Burial Location: Unknown

Mary Ann Guthrie, single, died 530PM on 2 Oct 1884 at Kilburn Villas, East Newport, Fife, Female, 72, Parents: Charles Guthrie, farmer, deceased, and Isabella Guthrie m.s. Lyall, deceased; COD: a) Cerebral softening, b) Phthisis, as certified by Peter Campbell, Informant: Jas. Guthrie Jr, nephew, Hope Park, Broughty Ferry. Registered 4 Oct 1886 at Newport, J. Melville, Registrar. (Statutory Registers – Deaths 431/38 – Forgan)

CHILD 5: ROBERT LYALL GUTHRIE
Born 8 Jul 1817 SCT – Died 15 Mar 1847 (Age 29)
Marital Status: Unverified, presumably single.
Occupation: Merchant
Burial Location: Unverified, probably at Western Cemetery, Dundee, SCT

Robert Lyall Guthrie, merchant, DOD: 15 Mar 1847, Age 29 years, Place of Death: Parish of Tannadice, COD: Chronic Dysentery; Last Place of Residence: Waterloo Cottage, Blackness Road; Place of Interment: New 1297 A. (OPR Deaths 282/Dundee)

CHILD 6: DAVID GUTHRIE
Born 23 Aug 1819 SCT – Died ????
Marital Status: ????
Occupation: ????
Burial Location: ????

CHILD 7: ALEXANDER GUTHRIE
Born 23 Aug 1819 – Died 7 Jan 1880 SCT
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Merchant
Burial Location: Unknown

Alexander Guthrie, merchant & jute spinner, single, died 755PM on 7 Jan 1880 at Kilburn Villas, East Newport, Fife, male, 60 years, Parents: Charles Guthrie, farmer, deceased, and Isabella Guthrie, m.s. Lyall, deceased; COD: Apoplexy several years ago, recurrent apoplexy; Informant: Jas. Guthrie, nephew, present. Registered 9 Jan 1880 at Newport, J. Melville, registrar. (1880 – Statutory Registers – Deaths 431/2 Organ)

CHILD 8: ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
Born 20 Aug 1821 SCT – 4 Sep 1840 (Age 19)
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: None
Burial Location: Unverified, presumably in Dundee

Register of Burials – Dundee 1840 – No. 1330. Elizabeth Guthrie, daughter of Chas. Guthrie, sometime farmer, DOD: 4 Sep 1840, 19 years, Last Residence: Dundee, COD: Small Pox; Place of Interment 136 – B

CHILD 9: JANE GUTHRIE
Born 19 Jun 1823 SCT – Died 21 Jun 1899
Spouse: The Very Reverend John Moir
Moir Children: 7
Burial Location: Dundee Western Cemetery 2, Dundee, Angus, Scotland

Liff 11th Sep 1851 This day the very Reverend John Moir of the parish of Brechin and Jane Guthrie of this Parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage.

Brechin: 12th September 1851. The Red. John Moir, Minister of the Episcopal Congregation in Brechin, and Miss Jane Guthrie, daughter of Mr Charles Guthrie, and presently residing in Dundee, within the Parish of Liff and Benvie, were contracted in order to marriage, and their banns having been regularly published, and no objections offered, were married on the 15th said September.

John Moir, Episcopal Clergyman, married to Jane Guthrie, died 630AM on 5 Dec 1889 at Kilburn Bank, East Newport, male, 75 years, Parents: David Moir, Bishop of Brechin, deceased, and Jessie Moir, m.s. Jolly, deceased, COD: Cancer of Stomach, many months, as certified by John Stewart, physician & surgeon; Informant F J Moir, son, present; Registered 5 Dec 1889 at Newport, J. Melville, Registrar.

Jane Moir, widow of The Very Reverend John Moir, died 1145AM on 21 June 1899 at Kilburn Bank, East Newport, female, 76 years, Parents: Charles Guthrie, farmer, deceased, and Isabella Guthrie, m.s. Lyell, deceased, COD: Jaundice 4 yrs, certified by John Stewart, physician, Informant A P D Moir, son, Kings Croft, Jedburgh, Registered 22 June 1899 at Newport, Fred G Kemp, registrar. (1899 – Statutory Deaths 431/19 – Forgan).

1781: BIRTH of CHARLES GUTHRIE
March 25 Alexr. Guthrie & Barbara Suttie his spouse in Coull had a child bapt. & named CHARLES. (1781 – OPR Births 321/Tannadice)

1784: BIRTH of ISABELLA LYALL
Isabella (Isobel) Lyall baptized September the Twentieth & third day James Lyall tenant at West Carcary & Isobel Spence his wife had a daughter baptized at their own house before many Witnesses by Mr Sommerwill named ISOBEL. (1784 – OPR Births 286/Farnell)

1809: MARRIAGE of CHARLES GUTHRIE and ISABELLA LYALL
March 17th (1809) Charles Guthrie, in the Parish of Tannadice, and Isabel Lyall in this Parish, daughter of the deceased James Lyall, late farmer in Carcary, were contracted in order to marriage; and their Banns having been published three several times, and no Objection offered, were married the 20th of said March. (OPR Marriages 275/Brechin)

1841: CENSUS of SCOTLAND
Parish of Tannadice – Coul
Charles Guthrie 55 M Ind.
Clementina Drummond 9 F farm servant

Parish of Mains – Mains of Fintry
Isabella Guthrie 55 female
James Guthrie 29 male merchant
Mary Guthrie 25 female
Robert Guthrie 23 male clerk
Alexander Guthrie 21 male flax/spinning manager
Jane Guthrie 17 female
Betsy Fenton 18 female farm servant

1851: CENSUS of SCOTLAND
Parish of Tannadice – Coul
Charles Guthrie 70 retired farmer, Forfarshire, Tannadice
John Ferguson, lodger, 50, agricultural laborer

Parish of Liff & Benvie, Dundee
Blackness Road – Waterloo Cottage
James Guthrie, head, 39, unmarried, flax merchant
Isabella Guthrie, mother, widow
Isabella Guthrie, sister, unmarried 37
Mary Ann Guthrie, sister, unmarried 36
Alexander Guthrie, brother, unmarried, 31, Flax spinner employing 155 Operative
Jane Guthrie, sister, unmarried, 27
Mary Key, servant, 23, servant

BOOK: Guthrie, Thomas. Autobiography of Thomas Guthrie, D.D. and Memoir by his sons Rev. David K Guthrie and Charles J Guthrie, M.A. in Two Volumes. 1874. New York. Robert Carter and Brothers. Digital Repository: HaithiTrust.

WEBSITE: ScotlandsPeople. Old Parish Records – Births, Baptism, Marriages, Deaths. Legal Records. More.

WEBSITE: ScotlandsPlaces. Angus. Digital Originals and Transcriptions of documents, books and tax rolls.

BOOK: Black, David D. The History of Brechin to 1864. Chapter VI. The History of Brechin from 1700 to 1727.