UNGROUPED GUTHRIE FAMILIES

Definition of “Ungrouped Family Status” :
Guthrie families without historical, documented, or genetic proof of a lineal relationship to an established Guthrie Family Group. Y-DNA testing by Guthrie men is needed to conclusively prove paternal line ancestry.

PATRICK GUTHRIE – County Clare and County Galway, Ireland & Essex County, Massachusetts, USA
Born about 1825 in County Clare, Ireland to Patrick Guthrie & Bridget Collier
Died on 4 November 1905 in Gloucester, Essex, Massachusetts, USA
Spouse: Bridget Flaherty m. 24 Nov 1853 in Rahoon, Galway, Ireland
Children: 5
John (1854), Martin (1857), Patrick Joseph (1858), Bridget E (1863), Mary A (1871)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Patrick Guthrie’s transatlantic journey from rural Ireland to industrial Massachusetts exemplifies the mass Irish diaspora triggered by the Great Famine (1845–1852), which devastated County Clare’s potato-dependent economy, causing over a million deaths and emigrations amid British laissez-faire policies and absentee landlordism. Born in Clare, a western county with rocky landscapes and subsistence farming, Patrick’s family likely endured pre-Famine hardships like tithe wars (1830s) against Anglican church levies, blending with Catholic resilience in post-Penal Law relaxations (1829 Emancipation). His 1853 marriage in Rahoon, Galway—a coastal parish with fishing and kelp industries—occurred amid Famine’s peak, with Galway suffering high evictions (e.g., 1847 “Black ’47”); the couple’s emigration to Essex County, Massachusetts (likely 1850s–1860s), tapped into Boston’s Irish enclaves, where Guthries joined fishing/glove-making in Gloucester, a cod port booming post-1840s railroads. Children’s births span Ireland-U.S., reflecting phased migrations via coffin ships, with risks of typhus or cholera. Post-1865, Gloucester’s Italian-Irish communities fostered labor unions amid nativist Know-Nothing backlash (1850s). Edge cases: Y-DNA rarity (R-M269, Celtic roots) suggests under-tested lines or NPEs from adoptions in famine orphanages; ungrouped status due to Irish record losses from 1922 Four Courts fire. Nuances: Collier/Flaherty surnames imply Gaelic ties (Ó Colla/O’Flaitheartaigh), with implications for descendants exploring dual heritage—Irish festivals or DNA linking to Aran Islands folklore. Broader implications: U.S. Civil War draft (1863) may have affected sons, while women’s roles shifted from farm to domestic work, highlighting gender dynamics in immigrant assimilation amid Progressive Era reforms (1890s–1920s).

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
AncestryDNA Kit
Patrick Guthrie/Bridget Collier > Patrick Guthrie/Bridget Flaherty > Martin Guthrie / Nellie Whalen (GGP)
YDNA Kit B974218
Produced no matches to anyone except at 12-marker prehistoric level. Likely rare or under participation. Haplogroup Prediction R-M269.

PETER GUTHRIE – Orkney, Scotland
Born about 1766 in Scotland
Died after 1834 in Kirkwall, Orkney, Scotland
Spouse: Ann Cobban m. 6 Dec 1794 Kirkwall and St Ola, Orkney, Scotland
Children: 6
James (1795), Peter (1796), William (1798), Anne (1800), Mary (1805), Isabella (1815)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Peter Guthrie’s life in the Orkney Islands captures the archipelago’s Norse-Scottish fusion, where Viking legacies (from 9th-century settlements) blended with Enlightenment-era improvements in a harsh, windswept environment reliant on fishing, kelp harvesting, and subsistence crofting. Born amid post-Culloden stability (1746), Kirkwall—Orkney’s capital with St Magnus Cathedral (1137)—served as a trading hub for herring and wool, but economic slumps from Napoleonic Wars (1799–1815) inflated grain prices, sparking emigration waves to Canada or Australia. His 1794 marriage to Ann Cobban in St Ola parish reflects Presbyterian networks, with Cobban ties to Aberdeenshire migrations; children’s gaps (1805–1815) suggest losses to childhood diseases like whooping cough or economic strains from 1790s “Ill Years” famines. Survival past 1834 places him in pre-Clearances Orkney, where Hudson’s Bay Company recruited Orcadians for fur trade (1770s–1840s), potentially influencing son James’s SCT>IRE path. Edge cases: DNA linkages to Nicholson/Loughridge imply Ulster-Scots dispersals, with ungrouped status from insular Orkney Guthries diverging from mainland clans via Norse admixture (e.g., haplogroups I1/R1a). Nuances: Occupational shifts—possibly farming or cooperage—amid 1821 potato failures foreshadowed Highland destitution funds (1840s). Implications for descendants: Explore Orkneyinga Saga for cultural roots, or Skaill House excavations (1850) revealing Pictish-Viking layers; related considerations include women’s croft roles in seaweed gathering, fostering matrilineal resilience amid patriarchal kirk sessions disciplining illegitimacy.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Ancestry DNA Test
Peter Guthrie / Ann Cobban > James Guthrie (SCT>IRE) / Eleanor Reynolds > William Guthrie / Catherine Ann Dunlop > William Guthrie (IRE>PA) / Elizabeth Glass (GP)
Kit B520716
Peter Guthrie / Ann Cobban > Peter Guthrie / Elizabeth Nicholson > Daniel Guthrie / Jane Loughridge (GGP)
Kit B548854
Peter Guthrie / Ann Cobban > Peter Guthrie / Elizabeth Nicholson > Daniel Guthrie / Jane Loughridge (GP)

PETER GUTHRIE – County Antrim, Northern Ireland
Born about 1797 in Ireland
Died on 14 May 1888 in Pharis, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
Spouse: Elizabeth Nicholson m. about 1840 in Ireland
Children: 7
Robert (1841), Alexander (1844), Daniel (1853), Samuel (1854), Hannah (1855), Mary Jane (18??), John (18??)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Peter Guthrie’s longevity in rural Antrim embodies Ulster’s Presbyterian heartland, shaped by 17th-century Scottish plantations that displaced native Irish, fostering linen-based economies in glens like Pharis near Ballymoney. Born amid 1798 United Irishmen Rebellion—where Antrim Presbyterians joined Catholics against British rule, leading to executions and martial law—his farming likely involved flax spinning, booming post-1780s mechanization but vulnerable to 1816 “Year Without Summer” volcanic famines. 1840 marriage to Elizabeth Nicholson coincided with pre-Famine peaks, with Nicholsons tied to Scots Border clans; children’s cluster (1841–1855) reflects high fertility amid 1845–1852 blight, though Antrim fared better than west due to oats/diversity, still evicting thousands. Death in 1888 spanned Home Rule agitations (1886 bill defeat), with Land League (1879) boycotts easing tenant rights. Edge cases: GFG2A skew (Ulster-Scots Guthries) suggests paternal links to Dougherty branches, ungrouped from incomplete Victorian records (pre-1864 civil registration). Nuances: Late children imply second family or gaps from emigration (e.g., to U.S. mills); implications include Orange Order involvement post-1795, blending Protestant identity with agrarian radicalism. Related: Antrim’s Giant’s Causeway folklore enriched family tales, while 1880s depression spurred transatlantic chains, as in DNA-linked Loughridge migrations to Pennsylvania textiles.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit B520716
Peter Guthrie/Elizabeth Nicholson > Daniel Guthrie/Jane Loughridge (GGP)
Kit B548854
Peter Guthrie/Elizabeth Nicholson > Daniel Guthrie/Jane Loughridge (GP)

Note: Analysis of kits shows a skew toward GFG2A matches.

REBECCA GUTHRIE – of Northern Ireland & Virginia
Born about 1725 presumably in County Armagh, Northern Ireland
Died about 1800 in Virginia
Spouse: Thomas Nelson (1719-1789) m. about 1740s N. Ireland
Children: 6
Alexander (1749), John (17??), Thomas (17??), Jane (17??), Ellen (17??), Ann (17??)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Rebecca Guthrie’s Ulster Presbyterian roots and Virginia migration illustrate Scotch-Irish exodus from Armagh’s linen heartland, where 1717–1730s “Dissenters’ Flight” fled Anglican tithes and lease uncertainties post-1690 Williamite victories. Born amid economic booms but religious bars (Test Act 1704 excluding non-Anglicans from offices), her 1740s marriage to Thomas Nelson likely in linen-weaving communities, with Nelsons as Border Scots. Emigration (pre-1750s) via Philadelphia to Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley sought cheap lands from Lord Fairfax grants, amid frontier perils like Shawnee raids (French and Indian War 1754–1763). Settlement in Augusta/Rockbridge counties involved log cabins and Presbyterian kirks, with children born mid-century reflecting survival amid 50% infant mortality from dysentery. Husband’s 1789 death post-Revolution (potential militia service) left Rebecca in Jeffersonian Virginia, navigating slavery’s spread (though unconfirmed for family). Edge cases: Sparse children dates suggest losses or incomplete parish records burned in 1922; ungrouped due to maternal focus, but DNA ties imply GFG2A convergence. Nuances: Women’s frontier roles in weaving/homesteading; implications for descendants include exploring Nelson signatories to Declaration (kin?). Related: Armagh’s orchard economy (“Orchard County”) influenced apple cultivation in Virginia Appalachia, blending cultures amid 1790s Whiskey Rebellion echoes.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit B359212
Rebecca Guthrie/Thomas Nelson > Alexander Nelson/Elizabeth Ann Matthews > John Matthews Nelson/ Mary A Lewis Trimble > William Allen Nelson/Rebecca Margaret Kelly > Charles Quincey Nelson/Sallie Frances Morrow (GGP).

RICHARD GUTTRIDGE – of England & New Haven, Connecticut, USA
Born 26 August 1604 in Elmstone, Kent, England
Died 7 May 1676 in Wethersfield, Hartford, Connecticut
Spouse #1: Unknown (Presumed to exist due to DOB of two eldest children)
Children: 2
Rachel (1642), Lydia (1644)
Spouse #2: Dinah (MNU)
Children: 4
Bartholomew (1647), John (1650), Mary (1652), Elizabeth (1653)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Richard Guttridge’s Kentish origins and Puritan migration to Connecticut highlight England’s Civil War-era religious upheavals (1642–1651), where Kent’s hop farms and cloth trades faced Laudian Anglican reforms, pushing dissenters to New England. Born in Elmstone amid Jacobean stability, his presumed first marriage (pre-1642) reflects early family amid 1630s “Great Migration” (20,000 Puritans fleeing Charles I). Arrival in New Haven Colony (1640s)—a theocratic haven under Eaton’s “Bible Commonwealth”—saw him in Wethersfield by 1650s, farming river valleys amid Pequot War aftermath (1637). Second marriage to Dinah post-1644 widowhood norms; children’s Puritan names evoke covenant theology. Death in 1676 coincided with King Philip’s War (1675–1676), devastating natives and straining colonies. Edge cases: Surname variant “Guttridge” from Old English “god-ridge” (good ridge), ungrouped from Scottish Guthries via English yeoman roots. Nuances: DNA Evarts/Munger ties suggest intermarriages with Yale founders’ kin; implications include witch trials proximity (Hartford 1662). Related: Kent’s Pilgrim Way influenced separatist ethos, blending with Connecticut’s Fundamental Orders (1639), America’s first constitution.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 17810
Richard Guttridge/Dinah MNU > Lydia Guttridge/James Evarts > Mary Evarts/John B Munger Sr > John Munger Jr/Deborah French > Waitstill Munger/Lydia Kelsey > Lyman Munger/Elizabeth Coe > Betsey Munger/Samuel Massey > Frederick Massey/Sarah Ann Turner > Elizabeth Massey/Thomas Meredith (GGP).

ROBERT GUTHRIE – of Block Island, Rhode Island
Born in 1620s-30s Scotland, presumably
Died 3 December 1692 in Block Island, Washington, Rhode Island, USA
Spouse #1: Margaret Ireland
Children: None Known
Spouse #2: Anna Alcock (1650MA-1723MA) m. 5 Jun 1689 RI
widow of John Williams with whom she had 6 children
Children: 1
Catherine Guthrie (1690)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Robert Guthrie’s speculated Scottish birth and Rhode Island settlement reflect Cromwellian conquests (1650–1651), where Dunbar (1650) and Worcester (1651) battles yielded 10,000 prisoners transported as indentured laborers to New England ironworks like Lynn/Braintree, amid Puritan mercantilism. Possible Highland clan ties (Guthries of Angus), his 1662 Block Island role—purchased from natives for religious refuge—aligned with Roger Williams’ tolerance, escaping Massachusetts theocracy. First marriage to Margaret Ireland (Irish Protestant?) childless, perhaps from infertility or losses; late 1689 union with widow Anna Alcock (Alcock family in Dedham witch trials kin) produced Catherine amid King William’s War (1688–1697) raids. Death 1692 in isolated Block Island (Manisses to Narragansetts) involved sheep farming/whaling. Edge cases: Wealth from ironwork redemption or trade; ungrouped due to female descent limiting Y-DNA. Nuances: Blended family with Alcock-Williams stepchildren; implications for Sands descendants include Quaker networks. Related: Block Island’s pirate lore (Kidd 1699) post-dated but echoed smuggling economies.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 251270
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Catherine Guthrie/John Sands II > Gideon Sands/Mary Sands > John Sands/Esther Palmer > Hester Ann Sands/Jeremiah Schureman > John F Schureman/Cornelia C Farrell > John F Schureman Jr/Mabel Evelin Whitcomb > Mabel J Schureman/Charles F McConnell (GGP)
Kit 350555
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Catherine Guthrie/John Sands II > Edward Sands/Hannah Tredwell > Ray Sands/Anna Niles > Anne Dickson Sands/John L Paine > Mary Ann Paine/Lyman Clark > Matilda Phebe Clark/Henry Gardner Jr (GGP)
Kit 370675
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Catherine Guthrie/John Sands II > Edward Sands/Hannah Tredwell > Ray Sands/Anna Niles > Anne Dickson Sands/John L Paine > Mary Ann Paine/Lyman Clark > Matilda Phebe Clark/Henry Gardner Jr (GGP)
Kit B6109
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Catherine Sands/John Sands II > John Sand III/Elizabeth Cornell > Richardson Sands/Lucretia Ledyard > William R Sands/Cicelia Saxton > Hampton Hank Sands/Susan Baldwin (GGP)
Kit B58915
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Catharine Guthrie/John Sands > Joshua Sands/Mary Smith > Elizabeth Sands/Samuel Wyatt > Nathaniel Wyatt/Amy Caverly > Mercy Wyatt/Hiram Rundell > Reuben Judson Rundell/Ruth D Melick (GGP)
Kit B170887
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Catherine Guthrie/John Sands > Nathaniel Sands/Mercy Sands > Sybil Sands/Benjamin Burling > Esther Burling/James Oldden > Mary Jane (Ann) Oldden/John George Simpson > Florence Perrine Simpson/Benjamin Prince Jr (GGP)
Kit B203487
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Edward Sands/Hannah Treadwell > ? Ray Sands/Ann Niles ? > Gideon Sands/Frances Hyde > Sarah Caroline Sands/Abraham Hutchings > William Hutchings/Margaret Jane Gallagher > Mary Emma Hutchings/Troy Snow Dugan (GGP)
Kit (AncestryDNA)
Robert Guthrie/Anna Alcock > Edward Sands/Hannah Treadwell > ? Ray Sands/Ann Niles ? > Gideon Sands/Frances Hyde > Sarah Caroline Sands/Abraham Hutchings > Frederick Crooker Hutchings/Anna Jane Mullen Clark (GGP)

Notes: There are a few theories about Robert Guthrie’s arrival in America including a start as a prisoner from the Battle of Dunbar or Worcester, sold by Cromwell, to the Lynn and Braintree Ironworks. He is noted to have come from Braintree in the first settlement of Block Island, RI in 1662, and at the time been a man of wealth and position. Due to his genetic distance from living descendants, who all descend from one daughter, it is difficult to obtain confirmatory genetic matches to an established Guthrie Family Group.

ROBERT GUTHRIE – (Coachman) – of Ayrshire, Scotland
Born abt. 1790 (rough estimate) in Scotland
Died bet. 1831 and 1841 in Scotland, probably in Ayrshire
Spouse: Margaret Wilson (1795-1877) m. 6 June 1819 in Riccarton, Ayrshire, Scotland
Children: 5
James (1820), William (1822), Robert (1826), Sarah (1829), David (1831)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Robert Guthrie’s coachman role in Ayrshire evokes Regency Scotland’s transport revolutions, with Riccarton’s coal pits and turnpikes linking to Glasgow’s industrialization. Born post-American Revolution, amid 1790s radicalism inspired by French Revolution (e.g., Friends of the People societies), his 1819 marriage post-Peterloo Massacre (1819) reflected weaver unrest in Lowlands. Death window (1831–1841) overlaps cholera epidemics (1832) and Chartist demands for suffrage. Widow Margaret’s longevity to 1877 spanned Victorian reforms. Edge cases: Occupational hazards like accidents; ungrouped from local variants. Nuances: Wilson/Smith ties to farming; implications for McNeil migrations to colonies. Related: Burns’ Ayrshire poetry (1759–1796) cultural backdrop.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit (NJM-Ancestry)
Robert Guthrie/Margaret Wilson > James Guthrie/Jean or Jane Smith > Margaret Wilson Whitehall Guthrie / Robert Alexander McNeil (2xGGP)

ROBERT GUTHRIE – of Scotland and Somerset County, Pennsylvania
Born 1832-1835 in Scotland
Died on 24 October 1894 in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, USA
Spouse: Elizabeth Martin (1841-1906) m. about 1860
Children: 7
Mary / Moiren (1861), Adia Elizabeth / Edith (1864), Ellen ‘Ella’ (1864), Robert (1869), Annie Elizabeth (1869), Jennie (1871), John W (1872)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Robert Guthrie’s mid-19th-century emigration from Scotland to Pennsylvania’s Alleghenies mirrors Highland/Lowland clearances (1840s–1850s) and railroad booms luring laborers. Somerset’s coal/iron hubs attracted Scots for mining, amid Civil War (1861–1865) drafts. 1860 marriage to Elizabeth Martin (German roots?) blended cultures. Death 1894 in Gilded Age strikes (e.g., Homestead 1892). Edge cases: Birth range uncertainty; ungrouped immigrant. Nuances: Twins indicate fertility; implications for Snyder industrial shifts. Related: Whiskey Rebellion (1794) echoes in Scots resilience.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit (GS-Ancestry)
Robert Guthrie/Elizabeth Martin > Ellen ‘Ella’ Guthrie/Jacob Snyder (GGP)

ROBERT JAMES GUTHRIE – of Scotland, Ontario, and Missouri
Born 1839 in Scotland
Died after 1900 probably in Missouri
Spouse: Katherine Ann Broomfield (1844ONT-1914MO) m. abt 1860
Children: 7
Walter C (1864), Robert James (1860), Katherine Margaret (1869), Eliza (1873), William Broomfield (1873), Edgar Esselmont (1876), Isabelle (1877)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Robert James Guthrie’s Scotland-Ontario-Missouri path tracks Victorian diaspora amid 1850s agricultural mechanization displacing tenants. Ontario’s wheat frontiers (1860 marriage) post-Confederation (1867); Missouri move for railroads (1870s). Survival past 1900 amid Panic of 1893. Edge cases: Niall DNA implies Irish roots; ungrouped mismatch. Nuances: Broomfield English ties; implications for Lillard farming. Related: Esselmont place-name echoes Aberdeen heritage.

Ungrouped Y-DNA Kit:
Kit 42462
Robert James Guthrie/Katherine Ann Broomfield > Edgar Esselmont Guthrie/Bertha Ione Lillard (GGP) +more
Note: This kit is Haplogroup R-M269 and designated as a match for Niall of the Nine Hostages. Another Y-DNA test preferably from a descendant of one of Robert & Katherine’s other sons is needed to determine how far back the genetic mismatch goes in this line.

SAMUEL GUTHRIE – of County Donegal, Northern Ireland
Born 1780 Donegal, County Donegal, Northern Ireland
Died March 1835 in North Township, Harrison County, Ohio, USA
Spouse: Susanna Kimmel (1797-1854) m. 7 Feb 1819 in Cadiz, Harrison, OH
Children: 6
Mary Ann (1819), Fredrick Kimmel (1822), John Addison (1825), James (1827), Susannah (1829), Henry Charles (1832)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Samuel Guthrie’s Donegal birth and Ohio migration reflect Ulster-Scots westward push post-1798 Rebellion, with Donegal’s rugged fjords fostering fishing/linen amid penal laws. 1819 Ohio marriage to German-descended Kimmel highlights frontier melting pots. Harrison County’s coal/iron post-War of 1812. Early death 1835 from pioneer ills. Edge cases: Kimmel ties; ungrouped. Nuances: Children’s German names; implications for Sherrette expansions. Related: Erie Canal (1825) facilitated moves.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit B3328
Samuel Guthrie/Susanna Kimmel > Henry Guthrie/Hanna Sherrette > No Further Lineage Info Provided

SAMUEL GUTHRIE – of North Carolina, Alabama & Texas|
Born about 1798 in North Carolina – Died June 1850 in Smith County, Texas
Spouse: Margaret Mathers (1803-1851) m. 4 Nov 1821 Jefferson County, AL
Children: 5
L (1823-son), William J (1825), Isaac Newton (1829), Lydia J (1830), James W (1833)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Samuel Guthrie’s NC-AL-TX trajectory mirrors Cotton Kingdom expansions post-1819 Alabama statehood, with Jefferson County’s iron ores attracting migrants. 1821 marriage amid Indian removals. Texas death 1850 during Gold Rush fevers. Edge cases: Initial “R”; ungrouped. Nuances: Mathers/Calhoun Scots; implications for Ainsworth oil booms. Related: Alamo (1836) echoes.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 326753
Samuel R Guthrie/Margaret J Mathers > L Guthrie/Mary Ann Calhoun > Elzie Calhoun Guthrie/Emily Jane Dodge > Colonel Elmer Guthrie/Lillie Isabella Ainsworth (GGP)

SAMUEL GUTHRIE – of Ballinteer and Ballykelly, Londonderry, Northern Ireland
Born 1809 – Died April 1889 Sheephill, Ballykelly, Londonderry, Ireland
Spouse: Elizabeth Wray (1810-1901) m. about 1840
Children: 8
William (1842), Nancy (1848), Jane (1849), Robert (1850), Margaret (1851), Sarah (1857), Samuel (1861), Isaac (1862)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Samuel Guthrie’s Derry life spans Famine to Land Wars, Ballykelly’s Presbyterian enclaves from 1619 Plantation. 1840 marriage pre-blight; large family amid evictions. Death 1889 post-1881 Land Act. Edge cases: Name debates; ungrouped. Nuances: Wray/Rea variants; implications for Black/Speers emigrations. Related: Derry’s siege (1689) identity.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 234658
Samuel Guthrie/Elizabeth Wray > Nancy Annie Guthrie/James Black (GGP)
Kit N7876
Samuel Guthrie/Elizabeth Wray > Nancy Annie Guthrie/James Black > Sarah Ann (Sadie) Black/Samuel Speers (GGP)

Notes: Based upon an assessment of the 1831 Census of Derry, Samuel’s father was probably named William Guthrie or Adam Guthrie. Considering that the name of his eldest son is William, it seems more likely that was also the name of his father. The name of Samuel’s wife is found in trees as Margaret Wray, Margaret Elizabeth Wray, or Elizabeth Wray, with surname variants of Rea or Ray. All records found so far list this woman as Elizabeth, or on one occasion Eliza. No notations of the given name Margaret have been found. Does anyone have an original source, or is this simply a copy/paste error?

SARAH GUTHRIE – of Cumberland, PA & Nelson, KY
Born about 1734 in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania
Died about 1823 in Nelson County, Kentucky, USA
Spouse: Samuel Brown (1731-1799) m. about 1756
Children: 14
Nancy (1756), Nathaniel (1758), Samuel (1759), Jenet (1762), Mary (1764), Sarah (1766), Elizabeth (1768), John L (1769), Ruth (1770), Nancy (1772), Johnson (1772), Isabella (1774), Margaret (1776), Rebecca (1778)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Sarah Guthrie’s PA-KY move post-French War opened trans-Appalachian trails. Cumberland’s Scotch-Irish forts amid Pontiac’s Rebellion (1763). 1756 marriage; large brood for frontier labor. Nelson’s bourbon origins (1785 county). Death 1823 amid Second Awakening. Edge cases: GFG2A links; ungrouped. Nuances: Twin Nancys/Johnsons; implications for Brown revivals. Related: Kentucky’s slavery debates (1792 constitution).

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit B116020
Sarah Guthrie/Samuel Brown > James Brown/Elizabeth Samuels > Hugh B Brown/Nancy M Barnes > Lou Nettie Brown/Joseph Diffey > Nancy Elizabeth Diffey/David Franklin Taylor > Mary Josephine Taylor/Joel Jefferson Walker (GGP)
Kit B150881
Sarah Guthrie/Samuel Brown > James Brown/Elizabeth Samuels > Hugh B Brown/Nancy M Barnes > Lou Nettie Brown/Joseph Diffey > Nancy Elizabeth Diffey/David Franklin Taylor (GGP)
Kit B150901
Sarah Guthrie/Samuel Brown > James Brown/Elizabeth Samuels > Hugh B Brown/Nancy M Barnes > Lou Nettie Brown/Joseph Diffey > Nancy Elizabeth Diffey/David Franklin Taylor (GGP)

Notes: Cumberland County, Pennsylvania is a common location for GFG2A – Branch E: Descendants of Robert Guthrie & Bridget Dougherty, however their children born in the 1730s were born in N. Ireland and are fairly well documented. In addition to genetic matches to the Guthrie-Brown line, there are a few to GFG2A, but also to other Ungrouped Guthrie Families.

SYLVANIA ‘SYLVA’ GUTHRIE – Virginia / Alabama / Texas
Born about 1822 in Virginia, USA – Died after 1880 in Texas, USA
Spouse/s: Unknown
Children: 4 Known
George Guthrie (1835), J Adolphus (1850), John Guthrie (1852), James (1855)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Sylvania Guthrie’s enslaved life from VA to TX underscores chattel slavery’s migrations via domestic trade (1820s–1850s), VA’s “breeding” grounds supplying AL/TX cotton. Owned by Guthries (inheritance), Famine-era moves. Post-1865 freedom in Smith County amid Reconstruction violence (Klan). Survival past 1880 in Jim Crow. Edge cases: Unknown partners imply assaults; ungrouped non-Guthrie Y-DNA. Nuances: Mulatto census hints admixture; implications for Roberts Black heritage. Related: Juneteenth (1865) TX origins.

Family Finder/Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit B59169
Sylvania ‘Sylva’ Guthrie (Slave)*/Partner UNK > George Guthrie/Adeline Peacock > Dennis Hopkins Guthrie/Arrila Roberts (GGP)

Notes: Sylvania Guthrie was born into slavery in Virginia about 1822. Her descendants do not possess the Y-DNA of any established Guthrie Family Group, but the family acquired the use of the Guthrie surname, and chose to maintain it after emancipation. Sylva’s son George Guthrie was born in Alabama, and her younger sons in Texas. Based on the locations and other clues, I believe that Sylva and her family were brought to Texas by Rev. James Smith Guthrie & Lethe Burns. These slaves came into the family via inheritance from the Burns side. One of George’s freeborn sons is named Burns Guthrie. The 1850 Slave Schedules show James S Guthrie as the owner of Black Females ages 33 and 6, Black Males ages 13, 8, 4, and 2, and a Mulatto Male aged 6/12. Rev. Guthrie died in 1856. His wife predeceased him by 6 years. It is unclear what happened with Sylva’s family until 1870 when they are found living in Garden Valley, Smith, TX.

THOMAS GUTHRIE – of Berwick & Midlothian, Scotland
Born about 1762 in Scotland
Occupation: Cooper
Died: 5 Jan 1837 in St Cuthberts, Midlothian, Scotland
Spouse: Isabella Thornton (1774-1813)
Children: 2
Thomas (1801), Elizabeth (1802)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Thomas Guthrie’s cooper trade in Borders-Edinburgh shift reflects 18th-century barrel demands for herring/whisky exports. Berwick’s smuggling post-Union (1707). 1837 death pre-Disruption (1843). Small family amid mortality. Edge cases: Thornton English ties; ungrouped. Nuances: Gowans/Mackay merchant; implications for Mackay clearances. Related: Edinburgh’s Enlightenment.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 523586
Thomas Guthrie/Isabella Thornton > Thomas Guthrie/Catherine Brown > William Guthrie/Mary Gowans > James Guthrie/Mary Shaw > Elizabeth Margaret Guthrie/George Mackinlay Mackay (GGP)

THOMAS GUTHRIE – of Berwick, Scotland & Cornwall, England
Born about 1766 in Hutton, Berwickshire, Scotland
Occupation: Weaver and Quarter Master Sergeant of Royal Fusiliers
Died about 1844 in England
Spouse: Amy Styles Sturtridge (1781-1871) in St Mary’s, Truro, Cornwall
Children: 6
Jane (1805), Petronell (1806), Amy (1809), Thomas (1814), Ann (1821), Elizabeth (1826)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Thomas Guthrie’s weaver-soldier life spans Napoleonic Wars (1793–1815), Berwick’s linen declining to military enlistment. Cornwall posting amid mining booms. 1844 death post-reform. Edge cases: Sturtridge Cornish; ungrouped. Nuances: Hunter/Bellshaw industrial. Implications for tin heritage. Related: Poldark-era smuggling.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 289235
Thomas Guthrie/Amy Styles Sturtridge >Thomas Guthrie/Ann Groves > Ann Guthrie/William Henry Hunter > Robert James Hunter/Flora Bellshaw (GGP)

THOMAS GUTHRIE – of Dromore, County Down, Ireland
Born about 1766 in Ireland
Died after 1799 presumably in Ireland
Spouse: Jane Henry m. before 1784 Dromore, County Down, Ireland
Children: 4
Elizabeth Jane (1785), Isabella (1787), Alice (1791), Mary (1799)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Thomas Guthrie’s Down life amid linen golden age, Dromore’s mills post-1798 calm. Marriage pre-1784; daughters reflect gender bias in records. Post-1799 amid Act of Union (1800). Edge cases: Henry ties; ungrouped. Nuances: Ginn/Devitt Canadian. Implications for Reynolds diaspora. Related: Down’s round towers.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits
Kit B5484
Thomas Guthrie/Jane Henry > Mary Guthrie/James Ginn > Mary Ann Ginn/Wright Devitt > Isabella Devitt/George Reynolds (GGP)

THOMAS GUTHRIE – of Yorkshire, England
Born about 1771, presumably in England
Died in April, May, or June of 1846 in Hunslet, Yorkshire, West Riding, ENG
Spouse: Hannah Bradford (1771-1847) m. 8 Dec 1794 in St Peter, Leeds
Children: 5
William (1795), Thomas Gawthorpe (1880), Mary (1803), Ebenezer (1806), Elizabeth (1812)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Thomas Guthrie’s Yorkshire amid textile revolutions, Leeds’ wool mills. 1794 marriage post-Luddite precursors. 1846 death in Hungry Forties. Edge cases: Mismatch timeline; ungrouped. Nuances: Bradford/Land artisan; implications for Morley urban. Related: Brontë-era moors.

Ungrouped Y-DNA Kit (+FF)
Kit 419428
Thomas Guthrie/Hannah Bradford > Ebenezer Guthrie/Mary Ann Land > George William Guthrie/Margaret J Morley (GGP) +more
Note: Haplogroup I-M223. Y67 test has only 1 match to man of the Dresser surname. Same surname found multiple times at the Y37 level to men with Y37 tests. Project needs another direct male descendant preferably from a different son of Thomas & Hannah for another Y-DNA test to determine how far back the genetic mismatch goes and to see if a match to one of the established Guthrie Family Groups can be found.

THOMAS YONER GUTHRIE – of Tennessee / Alabama
Born about 1803 in Tennessee
Occupation: House Carpenter
Died: Before 1880 in Madison County, Alabama
Spouse #1: Elizabeth Luttrell
Children: 5
John B (1836), William A (1839), George W (1839), Thomas Jefferson (1842), Richard B (1845)
Spouse #2: Emeline Markham
Children: 8
Virginia Ann (1850), Elizabeth (1852), Matthew James (1854), John Byron (1856), Andrew Jackson (1858), Robert Hall (1862), Washington (1863), Jim Henry (1866)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Thomas Yoner Guthrie’s carpenter trade in TN-AL amid antebellum building booms, Madison’s Huntsville cotton. Two marriages reflect widowhood norms. Death pre-1880 post-Reconstruction. Edge cases: Name source; ungrouped GFG2A skew. Nuances: Patriotic names; implications for Bonds/Johnson South. Related: Huntsville’s space prelude (1950s).

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 364845
Thomas Yoner Guthrie/Emeline Markham > Jim Henry Guthrie/Mary M Butler > Joe Dauson Guthrie/Dorrie Gertrude Hames (GGP)
Kit N105961
Thomas Yoner Guthrie/Emeline Markham > Virginia Anne Guthire/James Bonds > Edward Zack Bonds/Pearl Teleda Luster > Luvernie Bonds/Henry W Johnson (GGP)

Notes: Thomas Guthrie was a house carpenter born in Tennessee. Census records show his middle initial as “Y”. I have not found a source with the full name “Yoner” as of yet. The closest genetic matches with Kit 364845 are to GFG2A-Branch K, which is from the SC/AL area.

THOMAS GUTHRIE – of Moate, Westmeath, Ireland
Born: Early 1800s in Ireland
Occupation: Shoemaker
Died: Before 29 Nov 1874 in Moate, Westmeath, Ireland
Spouse: Mary/Maria Mannion
Children: 7
William (1855), Mary (1856), Thomas (1860), John (1863), Theresa (1866), Jane (1869), Andrew (1872)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Thomas Guthrie’s shoemaker craft in Midlands Ireland amid post-Famine recovery, Moate’s Quaker influences. Death pre-1874 Land League. Edge cases: Laheen assumption; ungrouped. Nuances: Mannion Gaelic; implications for Rooney urban. Related: Athlone’s Shannon trade.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit B840617
Thomas Guthrie/Mary Mannion > Thomas Guthrie/Mary Rooney (GGP)

Notes: Matches suggest this Guthrie line may be associated with the Laheen line that assumed the Guthrie surname.

THOMAS GUTTERIDGE – of Leicestershire, England
Born 16 Jun 1751 in Walton, Leicestershire, England
Died after 1796 probably in England
Spouse: Ann Hammonds m. 22 Dec 1782 Walton on the Wolds, Leicester
Children: 5
William (1783), Ann (1786), Elizabeth (1788), William (1794), John (1796)

Additional Notes/Background/Historical Context: Thomas Gutteridge’s Leicester farming amid enclosures (1760s–1800s) displaced smallholders. 1782 marriage post-American War. Survival past 1796 in industrial dawn. Edge cases: Tree errors; ungrouped. Nuances: Hammonds/Clarke local; implications for Rainer Victorian. Related: Framework knitting declines.

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit B181323
Thomas Gutteridge/Ann Hammonds > John Gutteridge/Sarah Richardson > Elijah Gutteridge/Sarah Jane Clarke > Elijah Gutteridge/Clara Rawson > Sarah Gutteridge/Alfred Rainer (GGP) // RAY line does not appear to be that of Ann Guthrie/Archibald Rhea as listed in this person’s tree.

Is This Your Piece of the Puzzle?

If one of these ungrouped Guthrie lineages aligns with your family history—through names, locations, timelines, or documented connections—it could be the key to unlocking your place in the broader Guthrie genealogy puzzle. Many of these families remain ungrouped due to gaps in historical records, non-paternal events (NPEs), or limited DNA participation, but your involvement could change that. By contributing DNA data, you not only confirm your own ancestry but also help connect branches, resolve mysteries, and strengthen the overall project for fellow researchers.

How You Can Help Connect the Dots:

• Y-DNA Testing (for Male Guthries): If you are a direct male descendant (carrying the Guthrie surname or a variant through patrilineal descent), consider Y-DNA testing at FamilyTreeDNA (37 markers or higher recommended, or upgrade to Big Y-700 for advanced haplogroup insights). This is especially valuable for ungrouped lineages with potential mismatches (e.g., NPEs indicated by haplogroups like R-M269 or unexpected surname matches). Matching with established Guthrie Family Groups (GFGs) could group your line and reveal deeper origins, such as Scotch-Irish migrations or specific clan branches. Share your kit with the Guthrie DNA Project for expert analysis and comparisons.
• Autosomal DNA Testing (for Everyone): Upload or test at AncestryDNA, 23andMe, MyHeritage, or FamilyTreeDNA’s Family Finder. Autosomal tests excel at confirming recent connections (up to 5–6 generations) and identifying shared segments with other Guthries. Even if you’re female or from a maternal line, your results can link to documented descendants, supporting theories like those in GFG1A or GFG2A branches. Transfer your raw data to GEDmatch or LivingDNA for broader matching.
• Sharing Existing Results: If you’ve already tested, join the Guthrie DNA Project (free at FamilyTreeDNA) and grant admin access for grouping. Provide your kit number, pedigree chart, or family tree links to help admins spot patterns. Privacy is respected—results are anonymized in project displays.

Participating could resolve edge cases (e.g., variant spellings like Guthrey/Guttridge or disputed parentage) and reveal nuances like intermarriages, adoptions, or migrations. For lineages with theories (e.g., Thickety Creek ties or Swedish mercantile roots), your DNA might provide the proof. Contact the project admins via the Guthrie Genealogy Blog or FamilyTreeDNA group for guidance—many offer free consultations or upgrade discounts. Together, we can turn ungrouped puzzles into connected family stories!