3A: Robert Guthrie
Guthrie Family Group 3 · Branch A · 3A-1
Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles
Pennsylvania · Maryland · Rockbridge County, Virginia
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Robert and Esther’s family can be followed from the farms of colonial Pennsylvania into Maryland and Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley. Tax lists establish their changing surroundings; a Maryland enumeration preserves the names and ages of family members; Robert’s will gives the clearest account of his immediate family.
Robert belongs to the reconstructed family of Francis Guthrie Sr. The connection rests on the wider documentary and genetic study. Esther is listed here as Esther Giles; her surname is under investigation as Giles versus Skiles.
Family at a Glance
Robert Guthrie
- Birth
- About 1727, from his reported age of 49 in 1776. Pennsylvania is a proposed birthplace, not an established one.
- Parents
- Reconstructed as a son of Francis Guthrie Sr.; mother unidentified.
- Marriage
- Esther Giles; probably by the mid-1750s. No marriage record establishes the exact date or place.
- Occupation
- Farmer, as described in the 1759 Pennsylvania tax material.
- Death
- After 28 February 1788 and by 7 April 1789, when his will was proved in Rockbridge County, Virginia.
- Burial
- Unknown.
Esther Giles
- Surname
- Under investigation as Giles versus Skiles.
- Birth
- About 1730, from her reported age of 46 in 1776. The family date of 29 March 1730 and a Maryland birthplace need supporting records.
- Parents
- Unidentified.
- Marriage
- Robert Guthrie; no contemporary marriage record has been identified.
- Widowhood
- Named as an executor and life beneficiary in Robert’s will; appears in its April 1789 probate.
- Death & burial
- Reportedly 6 September 1806 in Montgomery County, Virginia, with burial near son Richard’s farm. The exact date and burial remain unverified.
The Children
The eight linked family studies below bring together the 1776 age lists, Robert’s will, and later records. The will expressly names John, Phebe, Mary, Sarah, Richard, and Robert. Ann and James belong to the wider reconstruction.
| Child Page | Birth & Baptism | Marriage & Later Life |
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| 3A-1-1 · Ann Guthrie | About 1755; aged 21 in 1776. No baptism identified. | Associated with an unidentified King husband. Robert’s will names grandson John King but does not identify his parents. Ann’s proposed death before the will remains an inference. |
| 3A-1-2 · John Guthrie | About 1756; aged 20 in 1776. No baptism identified. | Married Mary, conventionally identified as Mary Fuller. Received fifty acres under Robert’s will. His family later moved from Virginia to Ohio; the reported death and probate are about 1830. |
| 3A-1-3 · Phebe Guthrie | About 1758; aged 18 in 1776. No baptism identified. | Named in Robert’s will. Married John Gadberry on 3 February 1791 in Rockbridge County; the associated consent and bond have separate January dates. Children remain unidentified. |
| 3A-1-4 · Mary Guthrie | About 1760; aged 16 in 1776. No baptism identified. | Married Ephraim Skiles Jr. on 17 December 1777; later John Scott on 1 September 1796. Named in Robert’s will. The reported 1842 death needs supporting evidence. |
| 3A-1-5 · James Guthrie | About 1762; aged 14 in 1776. No baptism identified. | Not named in Robert’s will. His later life, marriage, descendants, and death remain unresolved; omission does not establish that he died before 1788. |
| 3A-1-6 · Sarah Guthrie | About 1765; aged 11 in 1776. No baptism identified. | Named in Robert’s will. Associated with the 1796 marriage to Isaac Davis and the 1817 marriage of Sarah Davis to John Van Lear. The Van Lear namesakes and Sarah Jane require careful separation. |
| 3A-1-7 · Richard Guthrie | About 1767; aged 9 in 1776. The family date is 2 April 1767. No baptism identified. | Married Elizabeth McIntosh on 20 April 1790. Executor with Esther and a beneficiary of Robert’s will. Later settled in the area of Montgomery County that became Pulaski County. |
| 3A-1-8 · Robert Guthrie | About 1770; aged 6 in 1776. No baptism identified. | Named in his father’s will and joined Richard in the deed dated 27 May 1794. His wife and later descendants remain unidentified. Keep him separate from other men born about 1770. |
Sarah Jane Guthrie — relationship unresolved: a Sarah Jane aged one appears in the 1776 lists. She may be another daughter or another relation. The lists do not establish parentage, and Robert’s will names Sarah without separately naming Sarah Jane. She is retained in the research discussion rather than assigned a proved place among the children.
What the 1776 Lists Can—and Cannot—Tell Us
The Elizabeth Hundred enumeration groups people by age and sex rather than recording family households. Its ages support approximate birth years, but do not identify parents, spouses, or birthplaces.
The associated names include Robert, 49; Esther, 46; Ann, 21; John, 20; Pheeb, 18; Mary, 16; James, 14; Sarah, 11; Richard, 9; Robert, 6; and Sarah Jane, 1. Mary Gutry, 61, is another unresolved person. She should not be assigned as Robert’s mother or Francis Sr.’s wife solely from these lists.
Esther’s Surname and the Skiles Connection
Esther Giles remains the name used for this family study. Her surname is under investigation as Giles versus Skiles. Guthrie–Skiles associations, daughter Mary’s marriage to Ephraim Skiles, and the use of Giles in a descendant’s name are research clues. None independently establishes Esther’s maiden surname or parents.
Robert’s will names her as Ester/Esther but supplies no maiden surname. A marriage record, parental estate, family Bible, or other record explicitly identifying her birth family would carry greater weight than surname proximity alone.
Historical Highlights
Land and estate records connect generations in this family. Robert’s will describes a son already living on one part of the property, while the later deed identifies two more sons disposing of inherited land.
The dates also reveal why the story cannot be reduced to a single migration year. A deed dated 1777 was not recorded until 1788, and Maryland tax evidence falls between those events.
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1756–1759
Pennsylvania Farm Records
Robert appears as a property taxpayer in Colerain Township, Lancaster County. The 1759 material calls him a farmer. His appearance after the older Francis disappears is part of the family reconstruction; an inheritance has not been documented.
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1769
The Skiles Associates
The family study reports Robert and John Guthrey as witnesses to Elizabeth Skiles’s will. Her estate papers also preserve Guthrie associations. The will itself remains a priority source for checking the witness wording and identifying the adult John.
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1776
Names and Ages in Maryland
The Elizabeth Hundred lists preserve the names and ages used to reconstruct this family. A separate published supply entry attributes a coverlet valued at £1 10s. to Robert Guthry. A supply contribution is distinct from proof of military service.
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1 Dec 1777
A Virginia Land Purchase
A deed from Hugh Braford and Mary his wife conveys 220 acres for £165 to Robert Guthrey. It was proved and ordered recorded in Rockbridge County on 1 April 1788. The transaction date alone does not establish when the family permanently moved. Read the recorded deed →
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1783–1785
Maryland and Virginia Records Overlap
The 1783 Maryland assessment lists Robert Guttery with 150 acres of Salisbury Plain in Elizabeth Hundred, Washington County. The family study places him in Rockbridge tax records by 1785. Land ownership, taxation, and residence should be compared rather than treated as interchangeable dates.
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28 Feb 1788
Robert Makes His Will
Robert provides for Esther, six named children, and grandson John King. He appoints Esther and Richard as executors. The different shares and the names actually stated are important to the reconstruction. Read the recorded will →
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7 Apr 1789
The Will Is Proved
The probate establishes that Robert had died by this date. Esther and Richard appear in the estate proceedings. The £1,000 security bond is not a valuation of the estate.
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1790–1791
Marriages in Rockbridge
Richard’s marriage to Elizabeth McIntosh is dated 20 April 1790. Phebe’s marriage to John Gadberry is dated 3 February 1791; the associated consent is dated 17 January and the bond 25 January. These are separate events.
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27 May 1794
The Sons Convey Inherited Land
Richard and Robert Guthrey, heirs of Robert deceased, sell 290 acres for £350 to James Robertson. Richard’s wife Elizabeth joins the conveyance. The deed expressly refers to land left by their father’s will. Initial proof occurred on 7 October 1794; final proof and recording followed on 5 April 1796. Deed, page 251 · Continuation, page 252
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1796–1809
The Family in Montgomery County
Marriage and estate references follow Sarah’s connection to Isaac Davis and Mary’s second marriage to John Scott. Richard appears in the affairs of Mary’s Skiles children and in Scott’s estate. These records help follow the family after Robert’s death.
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6 Sep 1806
Esther’s Reported Death
Family accounts give this date for Esther’s death in Montgomery County and place her burial near Richard’s farm. A contemporary death, burial, or estate source is still needed to confirm the account.
Open Robert’s Will: Family and Bequests
Rockbridge County Will Book 1, page 329: signed 28 February 1788; proved 7 April 1789.
- Esther: one-third of the real and personal estate during her lifetime, followed by distribution under the will.
- John: fifty acres in the northeast corner, where he already lived, toward Cedar Creek and adjoining Ebenezer Branham.
- Phebe and Sarah: one-twelfth each of the real and personal estate.
- Mary: one-fifteenth of the real and personal estate.
- John King: £5, expressly described as a grandson.
- Richard and Robert: the remaining land, divided equally according to quality, with the remaining personal-estate provision.
- Executors: Esther and Richard.
The will does not name Ann, identify John King’s parents, or explain James’s absence. Those questions require additional records.
The Unresolved Acreage Question
The purchase describes 220 acres, while the sons’ later deed describes 290 acres and refers to Hugh Braford’s old survey. Robert’s will also separately gives John fifty acres.
The records connect the property and family, but do not yet supply a complete acreage history. Another acquisition, a resurvey, or a different explanation must be established from additional documents; none should be assumed.
County Names and Namesakes
Washington County, Maryland, was created from Frederick County in September 1776, effective 1 October. A later Washington County description does not mean the family moved when the boundary changed, and it should not be used as Esther’s contemporary birth jurisdiction in 1730.
The verified purchase and heirs’ deed belong to Rockbridge County, Virginia. Later Montgomery County events are separate. Several Johns appear in the Virginia records; “Senior” and “Junior” distinguish namesakes but do not alone establish father and son.
Explore the Research
DNA and the Descendant Lines
Y-DNA results from descendants assigned to sons John and Richard support a shared paternal line within Guthrie Family Group 3. Big Y participation is documented through John’s line. Autosomal participation is also documented through both lines.
The wider group connects Branch A with the Ayrshire family in Branch B. That relationship provides a direction for research; it does not yet identify the shared ancestor or independently prove every generation back to Francis Sr.
| Child Line | Y-DNA | Big Y | Autosomal |
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| Ann Guthrie | N/A | N/A | — |
| John Guthrie | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| Phebe Guthrie | N/A | N/A | — |
| Mary Guthrie | N/A | N/A | — |
| James Guthrie | — | — | — |
| Sarah Guthrie | N/A | N/A | — |
| Richard Guthrie | ✓ | — | ✓ |
| Robert Guthrie | — | — | — |
✓ Participation documented for this descendant line and test category. — Not documented here; this does not mean no descendant has tested. N/A A daughter does not transmit her father’s Y chromosome. Her descendants remain valuable for documentary and autosomal research.
Y-DNA and Big Y Evidence
The group’s broad haplogroup is reported as R-M269. The project’s Big Y research refines the paternal branches beyond that broad classification. A branch assignment should be checked against the current project results before attaching a terminal SNP to an individual descendant line.
John’s line: kits 8393 and 44350 are listed through John and Mary’s son William. Kit 8393 is listed with Big Y and Family Finder participation.
Richard’s line: kit 206677 is listed through Richard and Elizabeth’s son William. Additional autosomal pedigrees follow Richard’s children William and Cassandra.
The comparison supports the family’s paternal grouping. The documentary reconstruction must still distinguish the related men named Robert, John, Richard, and William.
Autosomal Evidence and Esther’s Origins
Autosomal matches can help compare descendants through different children and investigate the Giles and Skiles associations. A match must be considered alongside the complete pedigrees and any other shared ancestors.
Neither a shared surname nor a cluster of matches alone identifies Esther’s parents. Descendants through the daughters can be especially useful when evaluating connections that do not follow the Guthrie paternal line.
Questions That Remain Open
- Robert’s father: the Francis Sr. placement rests on the reconstructed chronology and wider family evidence; an explicit parent-child record remains desirable.
- Ann and grandson John King: the will confirms the grandson but does not state his parentage.
- James: his omission from the will does not establish death before 1788 or the absence of descendants.
- Sarah and Sarah Jane: their identities and the application of the later Davis and Van Lear records need careful correlation.
- The younger Robert: his later history is unresolved. The Giles County, Tennessee, Robert associated with GFG13 and Rev. Robert “Hodge” Guthrie of GFG2A are distinct research lines.
Reading & Sources
Contemporary Records and Published Record Copies
- Robert Guthrie’s will and probate, Rockbridge County Will Book 1, page 329; DGS 007646171, image 500. Signed 28 February 1788; proved 7 April 1789.
- Hugh and Mary Braford to Robert Guthrey, Rockbridge Deed Book A, page 699; DGS 007898606, image 363. Deed dated 1 December 1777; recorded 1 April 1788.
- Richard and Robert Guthrey to James Robertson, page 251, and page 252, Rockbridge Deed Book C; DGS 007898607, images 463 and 465. Dated 27 May 1794; final proof 5 April 1796.
- Lancaster County tax records, 1748–1855; Colerain Township entries for the 1750s.
- Gaius Marcus Brumbaugh, Maryland Records, volume 1: Elizabeth Hundred lists. Published record transcriptions, arranged by age and sex.
- Maryland State Archives: Washington County’s 1783 assessment; compare the digitized assessment and transcript.
- Maryland allegiance-oath compilation. A published research source for the reported Robert and John entries; identities require correlation.
- John and Mary Guthrie to Felix O’Neill, Rockbridge Deed Book E, page 465, July Court 1805. A priority source for the next generation’s land history.
Family Studies and Research Context
- Robert and Esther in the Guthrie Research Tree. Consult the individual record attachments and their provenance.
- John Phillips, A History of the Guthrie Family (1936). Access may be restricted; treat family conclusions as claims to compare with records.
- The Forgotten Sons · GFG3 Theories, Part 1 · Part 2. These explain the development of the reconstruction; later evidence may refine earlier proposals.
- Maryland State Archives: Washington County history, for the county’s formation date.
The collaborative family research includes contributions and discussions by Sharyn Guthrie, Rachelle Child, and Diana Guthrie.
Most Wanted Documents
- A record explicitly connecting Robert to Francis Guthrie Sr.
- A marriage, parental estate, or family record identifying Esther’s maiden surname and parents.
- Elizabeth Skiles’s actual will, Frederick County Liber A1, pages 340–341, to verify the reported Guthrey witnesses.
- The missing title or survey evidence reconciling the 220-acre purchase, John’s fifty-acre bequest, and the heirs’ 290-acre sale.
- Evidence identifying grandson John King’s parents and explaining James’s later history.
- A contemporary record confirming Esther’s reported death and burial, and documents tracing the younger Robert after 1794.
Help Build the Family Story
Every child’s story can add another piece to Robert and Esther’s history. A Bible entry, marriage consent, cemetery record, or family photograph may preserve a clue that has not reached the wider family study.
Contributions are welcome from all descendant lines. Include the source, date, and place whenever possible so that a remembered story can be connected with the surviving records.
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