Pennsylvania Patriots

REVOLUTIONARY WAR SERIES

This presentation will introduce you to Guthries associated with the American Revolution (1775-1783) as civil leaders, patriot soldiers, rangers, and spies. Since we started in Pennsylvania with ‘William and the Revolution‘ and the addition of the PA Archives Series Index to our Research & Resources., we’ll continue there before moving on to the other colonies. As the series progresses, we will also explore any Guthrie Tories / Loyalists for whom we can find records.

Most of these American patriots are well known to us. A few are new discoveries whose lives and service records have been cobbled together from the archives. Their identification and placement within an existing family group could depend on your detective skills. They deserve some recognition, too.

The men listed below are those found in the Pennsylvania Archives Series and in Pension Records at Fold3. Some have been designated by organizations like the National Society Sons of the American Revolution (SAR) as Patriots, and Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) as Ancestors. Additional research and resources may be available to members of those organizations via their websites and libraries.

FEATURED:
AG-1: Adam Guthrie – of Nottingham Twp., Washington County, PA
AG-2: Archibald Guthery / Guthrie (m. Rebecca Phillips) GFG2A-Branch D
DG-1: Daniel Guthrie (m. Jane MNU/Flinn?)
GG-1: George Guthrie (m. Margaret Campbell) GFG2A-Branch B
Jas.G-1: James Guthrie (m. Ann MNU) GFG2A-Branch I
Jas.G-2: James Guthrie (m. Polly Welsh, Eunice Cooper) GFG6
Jas.G-3: James Guthrie (s/o Robert & Bridget) GFG2A-Branch E ??????????
JG-1: John Guthrie (m. Margaret Brown) GFG2A-Branch B
JG-2: John Guthrie – Unidentified – Born 1735 County Down / Weaver
JG-3: John Guthery (m. Lydia Baldwin) GFG2A-Branch D
JG-4: John Guthrie, Esq. (m. Jane Reed) GFG2A-Branch G
JG-5: John ‘Jack’ Guthrie (m. Mary Erwin Loughry/Lochry) GFG2A-Branch G
JG-6: John Guthrie – Unidentified – Died 1776PA
JG-7: John Guthrie (m. Sarah Ann Davis) GFG2A – Branch E
RG-1: Robert Guthrie (m. Elizabeth Jane Caldwell) GFG2C
RG-2: Robert Guthrie (m. Agnes Gordon) GFG2A – Branch E
Details on the following can be read here:
WG-1: William Guthrie 1740/43PA-1803/04VA (m. Esther McClelland, Franky Young)
WG-2: William Guthrie 1736PA-1823KY (m. Catherine MNU)
WG-3: William Guthrie 1744IRE-1807PA (m. Mary Welch)
WG-4: William Guthrie 1751IRE-1828PA (m. Elizabeth (Guthrie) Brownlee)
WG-5: William Guthrie 1763PA-1835PA (m. Mary Batten, Hannah Batten)
WG-6: William Guthrie c1735-1829PA (Unmarried / No Children)
WG-7: William Guthrie 1766IRE-1848OH (m. Margaret Smith)

AG-1: Adam Guthrie – Identity Uncertain

Patriotic Service: Soldier, 2nd BN, 8th Company, 6th Class, Capt. Wm Bruce, Washington County Militia
Rank:
Private
Pension Record:
None
DAR Ancestor #
N/A
SAR Patriot #
N/A
Guthrie Family Group:
Unknown
Born:
Before 1760
Marital Status:
Single
Children:
Unknown
Occupation:
Unknown
Residences:
Nottingham Twp, Washington County, Pennsylvania
Death:
After. 1782
Burial:
Unknown

COMMENTS:
There is very little information about Adam Guthrie in the Pennsylvania Archives Series. He shows up on a Supply Tax for Nottingham Township, Washington, PA in 1781 and the following year is noted to be a private soldier in the 2nd Battalion, 8th Company of Washington County Militia under Captain William Bruce. There are no additional notations found specific to this man from Nottingham Twp. All other Adam Guthrie entries are clearly associated with Adam Guthrie Sr and Jr from Chester County. Having been on the Supply Tax, Adam would have been at least 21 years old, legally an adult, so born prior to 1760. At that time he was a Single Man, and without property. According to PA tax law at that time had he been living with his parents he would not have been taxed, but he was the only Guthrie listed for Nottingham Twp. at that time.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

1781: Nottingham Twp., Washington County, PA
PA ARCH SER 3 VOL XXII
p.754 Guttery, Adam  Effective Supply Tax 1781 – Single Men – Nottingham Twp, Washington, PA – No Acres, No Horses, No Cattle, No Sheep, No Value (Nothing Listed)

June 1782:
Revolutionary War Military Abstract Card File (Fold3)
Guthrie, Adam
Washington County, PA
2nd BN, 8th Company, Capt. William Bruce, Ordered to Rendezvous, 14 Jun 1782. Class return of 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th Classes on 19 Jun 1782.

PA ARCH SER 6 VOL 2 p.47
2nd BN, 8th Company, Capt. William Bruce, Ordered to Rendezvous, 14 Jun 1782. Class return of 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th Classes on 19 Jun 1782.
6th Class: Adam Guthrie

September 1782:
PA ARCH SER 6 VOL 2 p.69
A Return of 6th, 7th, and 8th Classes Capt. Wm. Bruce’s Company 2nd BN Washington County Militia, Ordered to Rendezvous 15 Sep 1782. Class return signed 23 Sep 1782 by Capt Will’m Bruce.
6th Class: Adam Guthrie

No Date Listed:
PA ARCH SER VOL 2 p.77
Adam Gutherie, private, 6th Class, Washington Militia, Capt. Wm. Bruce’s Company

Which Adam Guthrie is the Patriot Soldier above?

Adam Guthrie s/o William Guthrie d1775DE may be the best candidate only because he is not listed anywhere else. Is he the man in Nottingham, Washington, PA in 1781? There is no other data to prove that he actually lived there. Does anyone have more info?

Adam Guthrie s/o Robert Guthrie & Miss Darlington, who m. Mercy irwin, was born bet. 1714-1733. He was definitely an adult, but may have been ‘too old’ to be required to fight. He was also living in Chester County, PA.

Adam Guthrie b1762 in West Nantmeal, Chester, s/o Adam Guthrie & Mercy Irwin, who m. Mary Elton, was only about 14 years old in 1776. He would have been about 20 in 1782, so would be eligible to be the above soldier. He appears to have been living in Chester County, PA.

Adam Guthrie born 1 Oct 1769 s/o William Guthrie & Elizabeth Barnett was too young. He was only 13 in 1782.

Other Documents:
For comparison, the two Chester County men of this name are associated with the following records…

PA ARCH SER 2 VOL IX page 585, 589
Marriage Records of the Second Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia 1763-1812.
p.585 – Elton, Mary and Adam Guthrie – 30 Nov 1792
p.589 – Guthrie, Adam and Mary Elton – 30 Nov 1792

PA ARCH SER 3 VOL XI
Chester County Rates – 1765 – Transcript of the Eighth Eighteen Pence Rate for the County of Chester. 1765
p.44 1765 West Nantmeal Adam Guthrie 100 Acres, 2 Horses, 2 Cattle. 6 Sheep, 0 Servants
p.172 1766 West Nantmeal Adam Guttery 100 Acres, 3 Horses, 2 Cattle, 7 Sheep, 0 Servants
p.588 1769 East Caln Adam Guthery 100 Acres, 2 Horses, 3 Cattle, 8 Sheep, 0 Servants
p.780 1771 East Caln Adam Guthery 150 Acres, 2 Horses, 3 Cattle, 6 Sheep, 0 Servants

PA ARCH SER 3 VOL XII
Proprietary Tax Lists of Chester County: 1774, 1779, 1780, 1781, 1785
p.61 1774 East Caln Adam Guthery 180 Acres, 2 Horses, 4 Cattle, 6 Sheep, 0 Servants
p.280 1780 East Caln Adam Guthry 150 Acres, 2 Horses, 4 Cattle, 0 Sheep, 0 Servants
p.429 1781 East Caln Adam Guttery 220 Acres, 4 Horses, 5 Cattle, 0 Sheep, 0 Servants
p.567 1781 East Caln Adam Guthry 220 Acres, 4 Horses, 6 Cattle, 0 Sheep, 0 Servants
p.690 1785 East Caln Adam Guthrey – Amount of Tax: 2.10.0

PA ARCH SER 3 VOL 24
Warrantees of Land in the Several Counties of the State of PA, 1730-1898, Volume 1
p.76 Adam Gutry – Chester – 100 Acres – Date of Survey: 14 Mar 1759

AG-2: Archibald Guthery / Guthrie (m. Rebecca Phillips) GFG2A-Branch D

Patriotic Service: Soldier, 8th Pennsylvania Regiment, Continental Line, Died in Service
Rank:
Private
Pension Record:
No
DAR Ancestor #
A048567
SAR Patriot #
P-171905
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A – Branch D
Born:
February 1753 in Pennsylvania
Marital Status:
Married to Rebecca Phillips
Children:
3 – Elizabeth, Jane, Archibald
Occupation:
Unknown
Residences:
Pennsylvania, presumably in Washington County PA, as Greene County was not formed from it until 1796. The family was later associated with Whiteley Twp, which was was not officially formed until 1794 and incorporated in 1798.
Death:
Died 5 August 1779 at Fort Pitt, Westmoreland County, PA (Allegheny County formed in 1788)
Burial:
Unknown, presumably at Fort Pitt (now Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania)

COMMENTS:
Archibald Guthery served as a private soldier in the 8th Pennsylvania Regiment. The 8th was originally formed as a frontier defense, but was transferred into the Continental Line in 1776. Since his enlistment is unknown, we don’t know which battles and skirmishes he might have participated. Col. Daniel Broadhead assumed command of the regiment in March 1777. They fought at the Battles of Bound BrookBrandywinePaoli, and Germantown that year. The 8th was then transferred to the Western Department and marched for Fort Pitt. During 1778 and 1779 the regiment was engaged at near Fort Laurens and in the Sullivan Expedition. The latter was a campaign ordered by Gen. George Washington as a response against the four British-allied nations of the Iroquois for their 1778 attacks on on WyomingGerman Flatts, and Cherry Valley.

Near what is now East Liberty, Pittsburgh, PA, Archibald Guthery, aged 26 met his fate in the form of an Iroquois warrior. “Dreadfully wounded by his savage foe,” Guthery made it back to Fort Pitt. A plea for medical aid was sent by his captain, Samuel Dawson, to Col. Daniel Broadhead. The colonel’s reply was dated 4 August 1779, Headquarters, Pittsburgh, “I am very sorry for poor Guthrie and have sent Dr. Benneville to try if he can save his life, but I fear it is in vain.” (PA Series 1 Vol 12 p151 img 155 of 478.) Archibald Guthery died on 5 August 1779 at Fort Pitt. His widow, Rebecca, received the pay he was owed.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:
Compiled Service Records of the Soldiers Who Serviced in the American Army During the Revolutionary War, The National Archives, M881, NARA, Record Group93, Roll 0826|
Card Numbers 2
Guthery, Archibald
8 PA Regiment Revolutionary War – Private – R&P 436 786

Archibald Gutherie, PVT appears in a book under the folowing heading:
“Return of the Pennsylvania Line, entitled to Donation Lands, reported by the late Comptroller “
General.”
Vol 173, p13

Archibalds Guthery, Widow – Private 8 Regiment PA  Rev War
Compiled from Rolls of the organization named above under the head of “State of Pennsylvania against United States for Depreciation on Pay of the Army.”
Sum Charged L43 S3 D6-3/4
Remarks Died 5 Aug 79
Vol 7, p42

Index – Page 862 PA Archives – Volume XV series 6
Guthery, Archibald Vol III, 368

Continental Line, Eight Pennsylvania, July 20 1776 – Jan 17 1781, Series 5, Vol 3, p368
Guthery, Archibald, killed August 1779

Continental Line, Eight Pennsylvania, July 20 1776 – Jan 17 1781, Series 2, Vol 10 p676
Guthery, Archibald, killed August 1779

Numbered Record Books: 7 – List of Pennsylvania Troops 1776-1781 – Page 45
State of Pennsylvania against United States for Depreciation of Pay
Soldiers Listed Include:
page 68, G-654, Names: Guthery Archibald, wid, Rank: Private, Regiment: 8, Sums Charged: 43-5-6/34

DG-1: Daniel Guthrie (m. Jane MNU/Flinn?) GFG7

Patriotic Service: Bedford County Militia; Frontier Ranger; Carried Flour for Militia
Rank:
Private
Pension Record:
None
DAR Ancestor #
A048571
SAR Patriot #
P-171907
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG7
Born:
14 February 1737 in Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married to Jane MNU (Possibly Flinn)
Children:
9 – Mary, Hugh, Samuel, Ann, Sarah, Daniel, William, John, Patience
Occupation:
Unknown – Was he a flour miller or just functioning as a teamster?
Residence:
1779, Hopewell, Bedford, PA
Residence: 1820, Leesville, Lawrence, IN
Death:
17 September 1826 in Leesville, Lawrence, IN
Burial:
Flinn Cemetery, Leesville, Lawrence, IN

COMMENTS:
The Indiana Society Sons of the American Revolution has its own Daniel Guthrie Chapter celebrating their connection to their patriot ancestor. Their site mentions that Daniel Guthrie was a soldier during the French & Indian War aka Seven Years War (1756-1763). He would have been about 19 at the start of that conflict and in service to the British Crown. Over the next twenty years, like many colonials, Daniel Guthrie’s experiences led him to join the American Revolution. He would have been 39 years old, and still eligible for the list of able-bodied men eligible to fight. The records are a little thin on the ground, but show that Daniel Guthrie was a Frontier Ranger and part of the Bedford County Militia, specifically noted for carrying flour for the militia. The Chapter’s website lists him as a teamster.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:1774:

PA Arch Series 3 Volume 22: Return of Taxables p.82 (img 104)
Transcript of Taxables 1774: County of Bedford – Hopewell Twp.
Inmates – Hugh Guthery, Daniel Guthery

1776:
PA Arch Series 3 Volume 22: Return of Taxables p.149 (img 171)
County of Bedford – Hopewell Twp 1776
Guthery, Dan’l – Uncultivated Land Tax: 6.11-1/2; Provincial Tax: 2 .5

1778:
PA Arch Series 3 Volume 22: Return of Taxables p.110 (img 132)
County of Bedford – Hopewell Twp 1778
Inmates – Daniel Guthery Amt of Tax: 1 .6; Hugh Guthery Amt of Tax: 2 .0

1778-1783:
Vol. XXIII (Vol.23) – Muster Rolls of the Nanvy and Line, Militia and Rangers, 1775-1783 and Pensioners 1818-32. p.239 (img 253) Rangers of the Frontiers 1778-1783 – Bedford County – Daniel Guthery

1779:
PA Arch Series 3 Volume 22 p.176 (img 198)
Return of Property – County of Bedford – Hopewell Twp 1779
Daniel Guthrie: 50 Acres, 2 Horses, 3 Cattle, No Sheep

1779: May 4
PA Arch Ser 3, Vol VII p.24
State of the Accounts of Walter Clarke and William Murray, Sub-Lieutenants of Northumberland County
Daniel Guthrie, for carrying flour for militia, May 4th, 1779,  L 64-10-0

1783:
PA Arch Series 3 Volume 22 p.225 (img 247)
Supply Tax – County of Bedford – Hopewell Twp 1783
Guthery, Hugh: 400 Acres, 2 Horses, No Cattle, No Sheep, Tax: 4.17.6
Guthery, Daniel: 100 Acres, 2 Horses, 2 Cattle, No Sheep, Tax: 1 .3 .7

1784:
PA Arch Series 3 Volume 22 p304 (img 326)
Return of Lands, Etc. – County of Bedford – Hopewell Twp 1784
Guthery, Hugh 400 acres, 1 Dwelling House, 6 Whites, 0 Blacks
Guthery, Daniel No Acres, 1 Dwelling House, 8 Whites, 0 Blacks.

GG-1: George Guthrie (m. Margaret Campbell) GFG2A-Branch B

Patriotic Service: 2nd BN Cumberland Militia (Capt. William Moore); Regiment of Artillery (Col. Proctor), 4th Regiment of Dragoons (Col. Stephen Moylan’s Regiment of Cavalry)
Rank:
Private > Lieutenant > Captain > Brigade Inspector (annulled)
Pension Record:
No – See Records Below
DAR Ancestor #
A048578
SAR Patriot #
P-171909
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A – Branch E
Mistaken Identities: GFG14 – George Nelson Guthrie
Born:
Abt. 1751 in Cumberland County, PA
Marital Status:
Married to Margaret Campbell
Children:
5 – James, Sara, William Campbell, Jane, Unidentified Daughter
Occupation:
Unknown
Residences:
1781 – West Pennsboro, Cumberland, PA
Residence: 1790 – Huntingdon County, PA – formed in 1787 from Bedford (formed from Cumberland)
Residence (Burial Place): Blair County, PA – formed in 1846 from Huntingdon, PA
Death:
Bet. October-November 1813 in Hollidaysburg, Blair, PA / Probate: Huntingdon, PA
Burial:
Holliday Burial Ground, Hollidaysburg, Blair, PA

COMMENTS:
Firstly, this George Guthrie should not be confused with George Nelson Guthrie, a different man of similar name connected with GFG14. George Guthrie was the son of Robert Guthrie and Bridget Dougherty. He was born either in Lancaster or Cumberland County, PA, probably the latter based on when we believe the family moved to Carlisle. His father and eldest brother were carpenters. George was about 25 years old in 1776, already a husband and father. During the war years 1775-1783, George was a residence of Cumberland County, PA. They were living in West Pennsboro in 1781 and 1782.

In 1780, George Guthrie was listed as a Private Soldier of the 4th Class in the 1st Company, Second Battalion of Cumberland Militia under Captain William Moore, Lieutenant Gilbert Seeright, Ensign Abrm. Lyne, Sergeants Wm Piper, Wm Stuart.

At some point, George Guthrie joined Colonel Moylan’s Regiment of Cavalry serving as a Lieutenant. The 4th Continental Light Dragoons, known as Moylan’s Horse, were raised on 3 Jan 1777 at Philadelphia. They would see action at the Battle of Brandywine on 11 Sep 1777, the Battle of Germantown 4 Oct 1787, and at the end of that year by protecting the Cantonment at Valley Forge. They also saw action at the Battle of Monmouth on June 28, 1778. In the campaign of 1779 Moylan and the 4th Dragoons were stationed at Pound Ridge, New York, and saw action when the British raided Norwalk, Connecticut, on July 11, 1779. Col. Moylan and the 4th Dragoons took part in the Battle of Springfield, New Jersey, on June 23, 1780, and General Anthony Wayne’s expedition at Bull’s Ferry, New Jersey, on July 20, 1780. Col. Moylan commanded his Dragoons at the Siege of Yorktown in October 1781, after which he was to take the cavalry to the Southern Campaign.

Lieutenant George Guthrie’s role in the above battles is not listed in the records below as it appears they may have been destroyed in a fire at the War Office, but he was issued Bounty Lands for his service. By 1786, George Guthrie had settled his family in Huntingdon Township. He continued his association with the cavalry after the close of the Revolutionary War being elected on 14 Oct 1797 as Captain of the 4th Reg., 2nd BN, 1st Company of the Federal Army.

After a few years, Guthrie was commissioned on Fri., April 25, 1800 as Brigade Inspector, but that that role was soon stripped when it was discovered that he was counterfeiting. He was convicted of counterfeiting and forging, being sentenced to the payment of ten dollars fine, and to be imprisoned at hard labour, for the term of six months; on the 30th day of April 1805, by the court of General Quarter sessions of the peace for the county of Huntingdon. The governor officially accepted his resignation on Saturday, 1 June 1805.

OTHER RECORDS:

US Penn Revolutionary War Battalions and Militia Indiex, 1775-1783
Vol. 2, page 223 – Battalions and Line – Guthrie, George – Private

Revolutionary War Service Records
George Guthrie – Pennsylvania, Revolutionary War – Lieutenant – Card Number 39155795

George Guthrie, Liet. Cavalry. Appears in a book under the heading “Return of the Pennsylvania Line, entitled to Donation Lands, reported by the late Comptroller General.”
Vol. 173,  page 11

Revolutionary War Pensions – George Gutherie

  1. Moylan’s Light Horse – Gutherie, George – LT W – 840-200- Lieut – Issued May 25, 1792 to Peter Manifold assignee – No Papers ( see Guthrie, George in Heitman’s Register)
  2. Typed Letter dated 8 Sep 1921 to Lawrence R Guthrie, Bellflower, MO from the Commissioner Rev War Section Record Division regarding his query.
    “The Revolutionary War records of this Bureau show that 200 acres of bounty land were allowed on account of the services of George Gutherie as a Lieutenant in Colonel Moylan’s Regiment of Cavalry, on Warrant No. 840, which issued May 25, 1793 to Peter Manifold assignee. There are no papers on file relative to said claim as they were destroyed when the War office was burned in 1800, therefore there is no further data in regard to him or his family.”
  3. Typed Letter of Query dated 12 Aug 1921 from Laurence R Guthrie, Bellflower, MO to the Bureau of Pensions in Washington, DC asking about the service and family of George Guthrie.

Index to Series 3 Volumes XI-XXVI. CO-JU – p512
Guthery, George xxii, 328
Guthrey, George xx, 510

PA Arch Series 3 – Vol. XX (20) p.510; XXII (22) p328

Vol 20 – State and Supply Transcripts of the County of Cumberland, 1778-1782 and 1785
p.510 (img 528) County of Cumberland 1781 West Pennsboro Twp
Freemen – George Guthrey – Amount of Tax 40. 0. 0

Vol 22 – Return of Taxables for Bedford (1773-1783), Huntingdon (1788), Westmoreland (1783, 1786), Fayette (1785, 1786), Allegheny (1791), Washington (1786) and Census of Bedford (1784) and Westmoreland (1783)
p.328 (img 350)  Taxable Property of the County of Huntingdon for the Year 1786 – Huntingdon Twp
Guthery, George – No Acres, 1 Horse, No Cattle, Tax: 1.10

PA Arch Series 6 – Vol IV (4) p. 601-606 (listed p.604)
Military Abstracts from Executive Minutes, Vols. 1-9 Inclusive, 1790-18171
A Return of Elections of Officers in the Militia of the County of Huntingdon Presented by John Cadwallader, Esquire, Brigade Inspector. Thursday, February 8th, 1798.
p.604 4th Regiment, 2nd Battalion, 1st Company – Captain. George Guthrie, elected 14th Oct 1797

PA Arch Series 5 Vol VI (6) p.153-4 (listed p.154)
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia of the County of Cumberland
A List of Ye Male Whites in the 1st Company & Second Battalion of Cumberland Militia in 1780 Captain Wim Moore, Lieutenant Gilbert Seeright, Ensign Abrm. Lyne, Sergeants Wm Piper, Wm Stuart, Classes of Privates – 4th Class – George Guthrie

PA Archives Series 7 Volume 2 – Index to the Sixth Series, pp.1250-51
Guthjahr (?), Georg 6th Ser, Vil 2 p603 (war of 1812-14)
Guthrie, George, 6th S Vol 4 p604, 752, 762, 763
Gutry, George, 6th S, Vol 3 p 439; Vol 4 p7

PA Archives Series 6 Volume 3- Militia Rolls, 1783-1790, p.439
Huntingdon County – Battalion Not Stated
A List of Persons Naimes Subject to Malitia Duty Huntingdon County 1788.
Capt. Dean & Capt. Jaret’s Co. 238 men.
29. George Gutrey

PA Arch Series 6 – Vol IV (4) p. 7
Military Abstracts from Executive Minutes, Vols. 1-9 Inclusive, 1790-18171
Thursday, March 3d, 1791
Of George Gutrey for his pay as one of the New Levies for seven Months in the year 1780, in the federal Army amounting to twenty-one pounds, seventeen shillings and six pence.

PA Arch Series 6 – Vol IV (4) p. 601-606 (listed p.604)
Military Abstracts from Executive Minutes, Vols. 1-9 Inclusive, 1790-18171
A Return of Elections of Officers in the Militia of the County of Huntingdon Presented by John Cadwallader, Esquire, Brigade Inspector. Thursday, February 8th, 1798.
p.604 4th Regiment, 2nd Battalion, 1st Company – Captain. George Guthrie, elected 14th Oct 1797

PA Arch Series 6 Vol IV (4) p.752
Military Abstracts from Executive Minutes Vols 1-9 Inclusive 1790-1817
John Culbertson Brigade Inspector of the first Brigade in the tenth Division composed of Militia of the counties of Mifflin (including Centre County) and Huntingdon; and  George Guthrie Brigade Inspector of the Second Brigade in the said Division. 
Commissioned Fri., April 25, 1800.

PA Arch Series 6 Volume IV (4) p.762
Military Abstracts from Executive Minutes. Vols. 1-9 Inclusive. 1790-1817.
Saturday, June 1st, 1805. The Governor this day received and accepted the resignation of George Guthrie, of his office of Brigade Inspector of the Militia of the second Brigade of the 10th Division composed of the Counties of Huntingdon, Mifflin, and Centre.

PA Arch Series 6 Volume IV (4) p.762
Military Abstracts from Executive Minutes. Vols. 1-9 Inclusive. 1790-1817.

Tuesday, Oct 15th 1805.
William Henderson to be Brigade Inspector of the second Brigade in the tenth division of Militia, composed of the counties of Mifflin, Huntingdon, and Centre in the room of George Guthrie, whose commission has been superseded and annulled.

PA Arch Series 9 Volume III (3) p.2144
Executive Minutes of Governor Thomas McKean 1799-1808
Saturday, June 1st, 1805.
The Governor this day received and accepted the resignation of George Guthrie, of his office of Brigade Inspector of the Militia of the second Brigade of the 10th Division composed of the Counties of Huntingdon, Mifflin, and Centre.

PA Arch Series 9 Volume III (3) p.2168
Executive Minutes of Governor Thomas McKean 1799-1808
Tuesday, October 15th, 1805.
George Guthrie, whose commission has been superseded and annulled.

PA Arch Series 9 Volume III (3) p.2143
Executive Minutes of Governor Thomas McKean 1799-1808
To George Guthrie, who was convicted of counterfeiting and Forging, and sentenced to the payment of ten dollars fine, and to be imprisoned at hard labour, for the term of six months; on the 30th day of April 1805, by the court of General Quarter sessions of the peace for the county of Huntingdon.

PA Arch Series 9 Vol II (2) pp.1340-1 (listed 1341)
Executive Minutes of Governor Thomas Mifflin 1796-1799
p1340 Thursday, February 8th 1798 This day John Cadwallader, Esq Brigade Inspector of the County of Huntingdon, presented sundry returns of Elections of officers to fill vacancies in the Militia of said County, to wit:— in the first, second, third, and fourth Regiments—whereupon Commissions were made out agreeably to the said returns (except Lieutenant Colonel Fee against whose election some legal objections have been made) for the following named Officers, vizt:—
p.1341 Fourth Regiment.
John Holliday Lieutenant Colonel elected 6 Oct 1797
James Kerr Major of the 2nd Battalion 6 Oct 1797
George Guthrie Captain of the 1st Company 14 Oct 1797
(others)

PA Arch Series 5, Vol III, pp.1013-28 (listed p.1018)
Continental Line. Fourth Regiment of Artillery. Feb. 6, 177-Nov. 3, 1783.
Non-Commissioned Officers and Privates of the Pennsylvania Regiment of Artillery
Privates – Guthrie, George, resided in Huntingdon county, 1792.

PA Arch Series 2, Vol XI (11) p.215
Continental Line. Fourth Regiment of Artillery. Feb. 6, 1777-Nov. 3, 1783.
Non-Commissioned Officers and Privates of the Pennsylvania Regiment of Artillery
Privates – Guthrie, George, resided in Huntingdon County, 1792.

Series 2 Volume XI, 786
General Index to the Officers of the Pennsylvania Line. 1775-1783.
Guthrie, James Vol i, 744
Guthrie, John Vol i, 651
Guthry, George vol i, 652

Jas.G-1: James Guthrie (m. Ann MNU) GFG2A-Branch I

Patriotic Service: Oath of Allegiance (?)
Rank:
None Known
Pension Record:
No
DAR Ancestor #
A048593
SAR Patriot #
P-171911
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A-Branch I
Born:
1731 probably in Connecticut
Marital Status:
Married to Ann MNU
Children:
5 – Ann, Sarah, James, William, John
Occupations:
Farmer, Tailor, Storekeeper, and Innkeeper
Residence:
1753 – West Caln, Chester County, PA
Residence: 1770 – East Caln, Chester County, PA
Residence: 1790 – Brandywine Township, Chester County,.PA
Death:
24 October 1799 in Brandywine Township, Chester County, PA
Burial:
Forks of the Brandywine Presbyterian Cemetery

COMMENTS:

James Guthrie was about 46 when the Pennsylvania Militia was formed under the Act of March 7, 1777. This was a compulsory enrollment of all able-bodied white males between the ages of 18 and 53. Many enrolled never saw active duty, some drilled with the Militia, while others paid fines for not attending drills. His DAR Ancestor profile indicates that Guthrie took the Oath of Allegiance, but I am uncertain under what circumstance that would be without seeing the record. There are 2 instances of men by the same name taking the Oath upon becoming Sheriff of Westmoreland and Justice of the Peace of Westmoreland. None are documented in the PA Archives Series for Chester County. (See Series 3 Volume 2 Entries)

The SAR Patriot profile (apparently erroneously) lists James Guthrie as a 2nd Lieutenant using a profile at Find-a-Grave as its source. That profile sources this entry as its proof: James Guthrie appears with the rank of 2nd Lt. on a list “Arrangement of the Officers of the Eight Regt. of Penn.” of Pennsylvania officers as appointed by the Council of Safety pursuant to the Resolution of Congress dated 9/16/1776. Penna. Archives Vol. 10, 2nd Series Page 651, File No., 4300. However, details within Pension Record SW9468 belonging to James Guthrie (1750DE-1841KY) prove the record to be associated with his rank and military regiment.

“Descendants say that James Guthrie collected a band of neighboring men and went to the aid of the Continental Army, probably at the not distant Battle of Brandywine. No official record of his services in the Revolution has been found.” (LRG, p.216)

OTHER RECORDS:
Proprietary Tax Lists of the County of Chester 1765-1769, 1771 (PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 11)
p.87 – Chester County Rates 1765 – West Caln Rate – James Gutrey – 50 Acres, 2 Horses, 1 Cattle, No Sheep, No Servants
p.329 – Chester County Rates 1767 – West Caln Rate – James Guttery, taylor – Acres 0, Horses 1, Cattle 1, No Sheep, No servants
p.499 – Chester County Rates 1768 – West Caln Rate – Inmates: Jam’s Gutrey
p.588 – Chester County Rates 1769 – James Gutray, store & taylor, No acres, 1 horse, 1 cattle, no sheep, no servants
p.718 – Chester County Rates 1771 – East Caln Rate – James Guthery, innkeeper, 150 Acres, 2 horses, 2 cattle, 6 sheep

Proprietary Tax Lists of the County of Chester (PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 12)
p.280 – Chester County Rates 1780 – East Caln Rate: James Guthry 180 acres, 3 horses, 4 cattle, no sheep, no servants 
p429 – Chester County Rates 1781 – East Caln Return: James Guttery 200 Acres, 4 Horses, 5 Cattle, No Sheep, No Servants
p.567 – Chester County Rates 1781 – East Caln Rate: James Guthry 200 Acres, 4 Horses , 5 Cattle, No Sheep, No Servants
p.690 – Chester County Rates 1785 p690 – East Caln Township – James Guthrey – Amt of Tax: 3. 3 .4

Jas.G-2: James Guthrie (m. Polly Welsh, Eunice Cooper) GFG6

Patriotic Service: Soldier, Officer, and Spy
Rank:
Private > 1st/2nd Lieutenant > Captain
Pension Record:
W9468
DAR Ancestor #
A048595
SAR Patriot #
P-171913
Guthrie Family Group: GFG6
Born:
25 February 1749/50 in New Castle County, Delaware (Lower Counties on the Delaware, PA Province)
Marital Status:
Married 1st to Polly Welsh (1785-PA), 2nd to Eunice Cooper (1786-KY)
Children:
9 – William, Mary, James, Elizabeth, Moses, Eunice Cooper, Margaret, Eleanor, Sarah
Occupation:
Soldier and Farmer
Residence:
1750 – 1773 – PA’s Lower Counties on the Delaware (New Castle County, DE)
Residence: 1773 – Moved to Bedford County, PA
Residence: August 1777 – Went to Cumberland County, PA
Residence: 1786 – Living in Jefferson County, Kentucky
Death:
24 March 1841 in Jefferson County, Kentucky
Burial:
Pennsylvania Run Cemetery in Louisville, Jefferson County, Kentucky

COMMENTS:
The Delaware counties were considered the Lower Counties of Pennsylvania prior to 1776 and by that time, James Guthrie had moved to Bedford County where he entered service about the 15th of June thinking he had signed up for a 3 month tour of duty. He served as a Lieutenant in the 8th Regiment commanded by Enos McCoy. The unit engaged in numerous skirmishes along the Allegheny River until Dec 1776 when they crossed the river and passed through Trenton to join the Army at Quibbletown. Col. McCoy died at Trenton and afterwards they were commanded by Col. Daniel Broadhead. By the Battle of Germantown, Guthrie had served 14 months as a Lieutenant. He resigned his commission, left the service, and went to Cumberland County where he enrolled in the County Miltia under Col. Culbertson’s Regiment. Then, in August 1778, the law required him to serve as a Private Soldier for a 2 month tour under Captain Jack as a guard on the frontier settlements.

Traveling down river after that service had ended, James Guthrie landed at the falls of the Ohio at Louisville on 6 April 1779. Just over one month later, on 5 May 1779, he volunteered to go on a campaign against the Indians. In 1781, he assisted to build a fort at the falls of Ohio and constructing defensive structures designed to safeguard persons moving into KY from the Indians. From the time he moved to Kentucky in 1779 to 1791, Guthrie served nearly the whole time as a soldier or spying on the movements of the Indians.

Despite the length and variety of his service, it appears to have taken a lot of time and persistence on the part of his attorney to secure James Guthrie’s pension. A lack of formal original documentation despite the depositions and attestations by witnesses made it a lengthy process. His pension file is 128 pages long and can be found in digitized form at Fold3. The highlights from each page are noted below.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

Pension File W9468 

  1. PA & VA & Indian Wars – Guthrie, James (widow: Eunice) – 128 pages
  2. Certificate 5785 Kentucky Eunice Guthrie widow of James Guthrie dec’d PA & VA who served in the Revolutionary War as a Private & Lieutenant. Inscribed on the roll at a rate of 173 dollars 33 cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1848 and end 23d July 1850. Certificate of Pension issued the 15th day of October 1851 and sent to Abner F Vance, Louisville, KY. Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act February 2, 1848, page 234, vol 3.
  3. Certificate 31825 Kentucky. James Guthrie of Jefferson Co. in the state of Kentucky who was a Lt & Private in the Company commanded by Captain Swedrigen of the Regt. commanded by Col. Wilson on the PA line for 12 mos Lieutenant and 4 months Private. Increased from $160 per annum. Incribed on the Roll of Kentucky at the rate of 173 dollars 33 cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831. Certificate of Pension issued the 15th day of March 1842 & sent to H Walkup
  4. Back of Certificate: James Guthrie
  5. Deposition by James Guthrie of Jefferson County, KY on 23 April 1833
  • Aged 83 on 25 Feb last (1832). Born in the year 1749/50 (as it was then expressed)
  • Born in New Castle County, Delaware
  • Remained there until 1773 and moved to Bedford County, PA
  • In 1776 the court or committee of Bedford ordered 3 companies to be raised and in June of 1776, say the 15th, the applicant entered service
  • He thought length of service was for 3 months
  • Was a Lieutenant under Capt. Miller – as part of the 8th Regiment commanded by Col Enos McCoy, Lieutenant George Wilson
  • When unit was organized they were on the Allegheny River until Dec 1776, then ordered to march, passing thorough towns of Legonair, Bedford, Shippensburgh, Carlisle, Lancaster, and crossed the river and passed through Trenton in NJ and on the Baskin Ridge joined the army at Quibbletown. Several little skirmishes. Near B__brook we were defeated and list their artillery. Then Under the command of General Lincoln.
  1. (Cont.) Next went to Morristown NJ then to Goshen then to Germantown PA
  • Col McCoy died at Trenton, and their Lieutenant at Quibbletown
  • Afterwards commanded by Col. Daniel Broadhead
  • At Germantown having served a full 14 months as a Lieutenant in August 1777 he resigned his commission to Colonel Broadhead and that he received a discharge in writing from Major Byard.
  • He then left regular service and went to Cumberland County, PA and was enrolled in the County Militia in Col. Culbertson’s Regiment and in the last of August 1778 he was called under the law of PA to perform a tour of 2 months as a Private soldier under Captain Jack and was stationed on the Juniata river in Canoe Valley as a guard of the frontier settlements.
  • He left that service in October 1778 after his 2 months expired
  • In 1779 he moved to the now State of Kentucky and landed at the falls of Ohio (Louisville) on 6 April 1779
  • On the 15 of May 1779 he joined a Volunteer Company under Capt. William Harrod under command by Major Bowman – the object was to fight the Indians who were destroying the frontier settlements. They marched through the Indian country to one of their towns on the head of the Little Meanie River, called New Chilewth(?) and had some fighting with the Indians. 
  • During the fighting, he was wounded in his face
  1. Upon returning to service about November 1779 he was sometimes employed as a spy, a hunter, and in the fort at Lexington, KY. He served this tour 6 months. James Welsh, also of the 8th, he states is likely the only living person who can testify to his service above.
  • On 20 or 22 July 1780 he volunteered to go on a campaign against the Indians and joined a company commanded by Daniel Hall, the campaign being commanded by Gen George R Clark, Col Wm Lynn, Lieu Col Harrod & Major Edward Bulger. They marched to the waters of the Little Miami now state of Ohio and on to the Picaway towns on the waters of the Big Miami. Called Mad River and there had some fighting with the Indians and destroyed several of their towns. The party returned home the last of August 1780. He served at least 30 days that time.
  • In 1781 he was called upon to aid in Building a Fort at the falls of Ohio and in constructing a boat to __ between the falls and the mouth of Kentucky River in order to guard off the Indians against persons moving to KY and that he spent 30 days in this service.
  • In 1782 he volunteered again under General Clark to go again to the Indians and belonged to a Company Commanded by Capt Saml. Pottinger. They marched to the west bank of the Big Miami and destroyed several Indian towns and had engaged with the Indians at a place called High Rock. He was in service for 40 days.
  • From the time he moved to KY in 1779 to the year 1791 he was a soldier almost the whole time. That he spent his time in different forts and garrisons in the state
  1. (Cont.) He was almost constantly employed as a soldier in defending the country or spying on the movements of the Indians.
  • As a Private soldier he never received a written discharge,
  • He relinquishes every claim to a pension or annuity except for the present and declares that he is not on the pension roll in any state or agency. (In order to gain the full benefits of new laws soldiers had to relinquish their rights to old pensions.)
  • James Guthrie signed his mark to the deposition
  • Offering testimony is Michael Miller, a clergyman residing in Jefferson, KY, who is well acquainted with James Guthrie. He believes him to be about 80 years old and states that he is reputed and believed to have been a soldier in the revolution.
  • William Tyler and Heiram Malott, residing in Jefferson, KY certify they are well acquainted with Guthrie and believe him to be about 80 and that he is reputed to have been a soldier of the revolution.
  1. Deposition by James Welsh on 23 April 1833
  • Testifies to his known service
  • Was also in the 8th Regiment
  • States he was standing near him when he was wounded in the face and continued with him until the party returned to the Ohio River when they parted – Welsh returned to PA and Guthrie to KY
  1. Summary by James Pomeroy, Justice of the Peace, attesting to taking the depositions and noting the Service of James Guthrie “and for such service I claim a pension.”
  • Deposition of William Tyler stating he has been acquainted with Guthrie since 1781 or 82 and served with him in the Campaign of Gen Clark in 1782.
  • Requisite Questions/Responses (Handwritten)
  • Question 1st: Where & in what year were you born? Ans: I was born in New Castle County State of Delaware in the year 1749/50 as it was then expressed
  • Question 2nd: Have you any record of your age & if so where is it? Ans: I have no written record of my age, only a memorandum I made myself, now in my house
  • Question 3d: Where were you living when called into the service, where have you lived since the revolutionary war & where do (next page)
  1. (cont.) Q&A continues with same answers as the testimony previous.
  2. Letter by James Pomeroy, JP of Jefferson County, KY stating he is present at the house of James Guthrie to obtain testimony for his pension application, that Guthrie is unable to attend court because he has been “for a long time afflicted with palsy”. Pomeroy certifies that he has taken the testimony of Guthrie, and others named
  3. County Clerk signs off on Pomeroy’s commission to take oaths, etc.
  4. On 7 April 1851 Robert Welsh appeared before the County Court of Jefferson County as administrator of Eunice Guthrie, widow, to obtain for the only surviving children of Eunice and James Guthrie the provisions made by the Act of Congress 3 Mar 1843, 17 Jun 1844, as James Guthrie was a pensioner under the act of 7 Jun e1832, and on the Roll of the KY Agency at the rate of 160 dollars per annum
  • Welsh declares that Eunice Guthrie died on 23 July 1850
  • Eunice was married to the said James Guthrie in the county of Jefferson KY on 28 Nov 1786. That James Guthrie died on 24 Mar 1841. She was not married to him during service, but took place before 1 Jan 1794. Eunice Guthrie remained a widow.
  • There are now 7 children living all children of Eunice and James Guthrie: Moses Guthrie, Elizabeth Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, Mary Welsh, Sarah Johnson, Eleanor (next page)
  1. Johnson and Eunice Woodrow.
  • Curran Pope, County Clerk certifies that on 7 Apr 1851 Robert Welsh was made by order of the court duly appointed administrator of Mrs Eunice Guthrie.
  1. Back of letter – Declaration of Eunice Guthrie’s admr
  2. Back of form – No.2 Certificate of marriage of James & Eunice Guthrie
  3. Curran Pope, County Clerk signs that he has officially copied the Marriage Register for Jefferson County in the year 1786.
    Date of the license November twenty-third
    Parties names – James Guthrie – Eunice Paul widow
    November twenty eight 1786, married by Mr Jno. Whitaker.
  4. Folded Document – No. 24986 – James Guthrie Jefferson KY / James Pomeroy Esq.
  5. A letter from the Pension Office dated 6 June 1833 requesting more evidence of stated service. Includes chart summarizing service.
  6. Form of Instructions
  7. (Cont.)
  8. Typed letter dated 16 Feb 1927 as a response to a letter of query by Margaret E Thompson of Saginaw, MI regarding James Guthrie’s family and service.
  9. (cont.)
  10. (cont.)
  11. Back of folded certificate
  12. Certificate 5783 Kentucky Eunice Guthrie, dec widow of James who served in the Revolutionary War as a private and lieut. Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 173 dollars 33 cents per annym to commence on the 4th day of March 1848 ending 23 July 1850. Certificate of Pension issued 15 Oct 1851 and sent to Abner T Vance, Louisville, KY
  13. Folded scrap of certificate Guthrie, James Penn-VA W9468
  14. Front of scrappy certificate  – same info
  15. Response to a second query by Margaret E Thompson dated 27 Feb 1929 informing her they already sent her the data
  16. Letter from Margaret E Thompson dated 16 Feb 1927, Received 23 Jun 1928 requesting data on her 2xGGF James Guthrie
  17. Back of form stamped 9 Feb 1927
  18. Letter to Pension office from Margaret E Thompson dated 6 Feb 1927 stating she had requested a record on John Lawless, but had not recd a response, and also requests one for James Guthrie.
  19. letter cont on back
  20. Request Form showing Margaret E Thompson history of requests
  21. Back of letter addressed Mr Henry Northup Washington City, DC
  22. Same document turned around James Guthrie Dec 28th 1840
  23. Letter dated 28 Dec 1840 from James Guthrie in response to the requirement to provide additional evidence.
  24. (cont.) 
  25. (cont.) Informs them someone will have to come to his house to take a deposition as he has been unable to go to Louisville for 12 years. instructs them to address letters to Newburgh, Jefferson, KY
  26. Pension Form
  27. Letter from Pension Office to A F Vance Esq in Louisville dated 18 Nov 1851 informing him that as Eunice Guthrie was not a widow at the time of the Acto of 7 July 1838 and died prior to the joint resolution of 3 March 1851, she was not entitled to a pension under the act of 3 March 1843 or 17 June 1844.
  28. A letter informing the Pension Office of the enclosed application for an appeal re: Eunice Guthrie. — H Marshall
  29. Back of document from Hon H M
  30. Notes by Abner T Vance Louisville regarding facts of Eunice Guthrie
  31. Department of the Interior 26 Feb 1852 from Alex H H Stuart, secretary to Hon. H Marshall, house of representatives
  32. Letter from AF Vance atty Louisville to Hon A H H Stuart dated 25 Sep 1852 asking about the appeal sent via their Representative Hon H Marshall. He cites precedence in the case.
  33. (back)
  34. Letter from the Pension Office 12 Mar 1852. Cover letter for the 40-page case of Eunice Guthrie — J E Health
  35. Case of Eunice Guthrie decd on appeal from the pension office. Decision of commissioner states that she was ineligible to receive further pension.
  36. (cont) Letter states that the decision was erroneous, that she was entitled a pension. Writer states wordage from the Act.
  37. (cont)
  38. (cont)
  39. (cont)
  40. Brief in the Case of Eunice Guthrie widow of Jas. Guthrie Jefferson County KY Act 2 Feb 1828. Claim (original). Proof Exhibited: Her husband was a pensioner at $173.33 per annum under Act of 7 Jun 1832. Record of proof of marriage.
  41. Letter from Abner F Vance to James E Heath Esq dated 20 Aug 1851 requesting information on the case since he last sent the application of the heirs
  42. Letter dated 29 Oct 1851 to James E Heath Esq. More legal wrangling.
  43. (cont)
  44. Cover letter dated 13 may 1851 from Abner F Vance to James E Heath comm of pensions enclosing the application for a pension for Mrs Eunice Guthrie
  45. Deposition of Kennah Seaton given 23 Apr 1851 stating he had known E&J since earliest recollection, and knows their children
  46. (back) Curran Pope, Clerk signs off 
  47. (back) Affidavit of Charles Fenley
  48. Deposition of Charles Finley dated 12 Apr 1851 stating that he knew J&E and their children
  49. Bakc of Letter addressed to James E Heath Esq Commissioner of Pensions Washington Cty with postoffice stamp from Louisville KY for 3 Oct
  50. Letter dated 2 Oct 1851 to James E Heath from Vance
  51. Affidavits of Peter Funk and George W Welsh (back)
  52. Affadavit of Peter Funk – knows family
  53. Affadavit of George W Welsh – knows family
  54. County Clerk signed off on above depos
  55. Letter dated 15 Mar 1842 from AW Morton stating he can find no evidence of the services of Lieut. James Guthrie of the Western Militia. He found a James Guthrie Sergt. of Infantry.
  56. (back) James L Edwards Esq Commissioner of Pensions (addressed)
  57. Three page Letter 25 Dec 1841 from Henry Northup. Had returned from a trip to find a pile of letters. Responded that though he believes in James Guthrie’s veracity in his testimony, the proof of it is lacking and at points even thrown off by Welsh’s testimony in that it doesn’t quite match up. 
  58. (cont)
  59. (cont)
  60. letter 26 Nov 1841 from Henry Northup
  61. (cont)
  62. Addressed to James L Edwards Commisioner of Pensions 17 Nov 1841
  63. Letter of 17 nov 1841 from Henry Northup making his case for James Guthrie
  64. (cont)
  65. (cont)
  66. Letter from henry Northup 10 May 1841
  67. (cont)
  68. note
  69. Note James Guthrie on KY Roll Act of 1832 – RW Young, agent
  70. Note by Robert Welsh, adm of James Guthrie decd, requesting Hon JL Edwards, Comm of Pensions to allow his agent R W Young Washington DC to examine the papers on file in  his office for the pension originally granted to james Guthrie under the act 7 June  1832
  71. Letter from A W Morton from the Auditor’s Office Mar 1842 informing J L Edwards that there is no muster roll of the militia in that office or other evidence having service in the militia or elsewhere by Lieut James Guthrie.
  72. Letter __ Feb 1841
  73. (back)
  74. Memorandum for Lt James Guthrie – reviews evidence of service as Lieutenant and complains that it is now 8 years attempting to get this old man his pension.
  • See Journals of Congress of the 15 July 1776 vol 1st page 411 for raising a regiment in Bedford and Westmoreland Counties and that the Platoon Officers be appointed by a committee of the county in which they are raised
  • See Journal of 20th page 419 in which the field officers are appointed the same as named by Guthrie
  • See also the journals of Congress of the 14th of Sep same vol page 475 when the platoon officers recommended by the committee of the county are confirmed which is the name of James Guthrie as a 2nd Lt. 
  • Lastly see his commission on file with the Washigton papers bearing date 9 Aug 1776, on file with his application for a resignation ad acceptance of the same all without date.
  1. (cont)
  2. Letter dated 10 Feb 1841
  3. Letter from James A Grimstead, Pension Agent to J L Edwards Commissioner of Pensions dated 26 Mar 1841 stating that James Guthrie presented a certificate dated 16 Feb 1841 granting to said Guthrie a pension at the rate of $160 per annum commencing 4 Mar 1831. That the name of Mr Guthrie does not appear in his Book and the magnitude of the claim induces him to write for information and instructions.
  4. (addressed to JLE)
  5. Letter of 15 Feb 1841 from Henry Northup
  6. (cont) 
  7. (cont)
  8. House of Representatives 5 Feb 1841 from W J Graves to JLE. Comments that he does not know Mr G personally but know his family and know them to be men of property & high character. Moreover he thinks the old man owns a large and valuable farm, well improved some ten or twelve miles from Louisville.
  9. (cont)
  10. (back) Payment to be made at Lexington by J A Grinstead Esq Agent for Paying Pensioners in the Agency of Kentucky, recd in Book E vol 2 page 20
  11. War Department Revolutionary Claim “I certify that in conformity with the law of the United States of teh 7th June 1832, James Guthrie of Jefferson County Kentucky who was a Lieutenant in the Revolution is entitled to receive one hundred and sixty dollars and – cents per annum during his natural life, commencing on the 4th of March 1831, and payable semi annually on the 4th of march and 4th of September in every year. — 16 Feb 1841. (Note this is 1 month before his death)
  12. Letter of 17 Feb 1841 from Henry Northup
  13. Notes / timeline of activities
  14. Addressed to Hon JLE
  15. Letter of 2 Apr 1841 from Th J Northup to JLE  including ‘a true copy of a letter received addressed to his father Henry Northup who is absent from town forwards to JLE
  16. Letter dated 22 Feb 1841 from Henry Northup
  17. (cont)
  18. Letter 9 Jun 1853 from R McClelland, Secretary of the Dept of the Interior to Hon L P Waldo Commissioner of Pensions dated 9 June 1853 – in the case of the heirs of Eunice Guthrie decd widow of James Guthrie, claiming a pension under the act of 3 Mar 1843 and 17 Jun 1844, your decision is approved – the case coming within the opinion given by Mr Ewing March 6 1850, upon the claim of Sarah White, widow of Thomas White.
  19. Letter from the Dept of the Interior Hon Alex H H Stuart Secretary 10 Jan 1853 to James E Heath commissioner of pensions.
  20. (cont)
  21. Letter from A F Vance 30 May 1853 to LP Waldo Esq Commisioner of Pensions re claims of heirs of EG
  22. Addressed to L P Waldo Esq Commissioner of Pensions – Post office stamped Louisville
  23. Letter of 2 May 1853  from A F Vance to LP Waldo Esq – Now 2 years since application forwarded
  24. Addressed to Alex H H Stuart Secretary of the Interior Washington City DC
  25. Letter dated 23 Feb 1852 to Hon A H H Stuart regarding case of EG heirs
  26. (cont)
  27. (cont)  – Robert Welsh admr of Eunice Guthrie decd by A F Vance his atty
  28. No. 4 Affidavits of Wm R Vance and S N Kalfus (back)
  29. Affidavit of Simeon N Kalfus 15 Apr 1851 – knew J&E and family
  30. County clerk Curran Pope signs off
  31. Affadavit of William R Vance, pension agent for the State of KY – 15 Apr 1851 – born and reared on the farm adjacent to farm of James & Eunice Guthrie in Jefferson County KY, and has known from his infancy all of the children of J&E. States that at the Request of Robert welsh, the administrator, he examined the marriage record of J&E at the Clerk’s Office and finds it recorded that a license was issued 23 Nov 1786 and were married by John Whitaker on the 28 Nov 1786.
  32. Addressed Henry Northup
  33. Same
  34. Letter 12 Oct 1840 to Mr Henry NOrthup from James Guthrie making inquiries and reviewing some of his service history
  35. (cont)
  36. Deposition of James Guthrie – 22 Jan 1841
  37. (cont)
  38. (cont)
  39. (cont)

END of PENSION FILE

PA ARCH SERIES 2 VOL 15
p.525 The Pennsylvania Line – 8th PA Regiment – An Arrangement of the Officers of the 8th Regiment of PA
Colonel – Daniel Broadhead, March 1, 1777
Major – Stephen Bayard, march 9, 1777
Captains Van Sweringen, Samuel Milller, James Piggot, Wendal Owry, David Kilgore, Andrew Mann (all 9 Aug 1776), James Montgomery 11 Aug 1776, Michael Hoofnagle 16 Mar 1777.
First Lieutenants: John Findley, Matthew Jack, Nehemiah Stokely, and Thomas Cook on 9 Aug 1776, Bazil Prather and John Hughes 11 Aug 1776
Second Lieutenants: James Guthrie, Richard Richardson, Samuel Smith William Crawford on 9 Aug 1776; John Hardin and John Mackay 11 Aug 1776.

OTHER RECORDS FOR SOLDIERS NAMED JAMES GUTHRIE – TO WHICH MAN DO THEY BELONG?

Possible Candidates:
James Guthrie Esq. (bef.1751PA-1812PA, m1. Jennet Culbertson) – later High Sheriff of Westmoreland Co.
James Guthrie (1739IRE-1792 East Pennsboro, Cumberland, PA) – son of Robert Guthrie/Bridget Dougherty
James Guthrie (c1765/6-1812-15, m. Elizabeth Eilor) – probably in PA during the Rev War Years

PA ARCH SERIES 6 VOL 2 PART 1
Muster Rolls Relating to the Militia of the County of Washington
Associators and Militia

p.130-1 Class Roll of Captain Thomas Rankin Company of Foot in the 4th Battalion. Militia Commanded by Col. John Marshal, Washington County, 18 Sep 1781. Capt. Thomas Rankin, Lieut Alexr. Russell. Ensign Charles Campble. Privates 7th Class: Janes Guttrey
p.143 A Return 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Classes Capt Thomas Renkon’s Company, 4th Battn Washington County Militia Ordered to Rendezvous 14 May 1782. 7th Class: Jams. Guthrie.
p.156 Captain Thomas Rankin’s Return of 4 Classes. 7th Class: James Guthry. (no date)
p.174 A Return 2nd Class Capt Robert Ramsey’s COmpany 5th Batt. Washington County Militia Ordered to rendezvous the 19 March 1782. James Gutridge.
p.204 A Class Roll of Capt’n Robert Ramsey’s Company. 2nd Class James Gutrige. 6th Class. John Gutrige
p.249 Lieut. Robert Ritchey’s Company – Privates: James Guttridge

PA ARCH SERIES 6 VOL 2 PART 2
Muster Rolls Relating to the Militia of the County of Westmoreland
Associators and Militia

p.265 – Officers in Service 1777-79 – Captains:  James Guthrie
p.399 – Captain Ezekiel Ross’ Company – Privates: James Gutridge

The following are post-war records probably associated with James Guthrie (bef.1751PA-1812PA, m. Jennet Culbertson) from Westmoreland County who became Justice of the Peace and High Sheriff of Westmoreland.

PA ARCH SERIES 6 VOL 5
Muster and Pay Rolls Pennsylvania Militia 1790-1800

p.688 Rec’d pay form Lieut. Charles Campbell of Westmoreland County for a tour of duty under the command of Capt. Sampson Archer – Entry 22 Sep 1792 – Discharge 28 Nov 1792. Ja’s Guthrie – 6 Dollars and 70 cents.

PA ARCH SERIES 6 VOL 11
Election Returns

p.410 – To his excellency the President and Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania….General Election held in County of Westmoreland on 2nd Tuesday of Oct 1788…Certifies that William Perry Esq (944 votes) and James Guthrey (488 votes) were duly elected Sheriffs. — Signed 16 Oct 1788
p.411 – On 14 Oct 1789 – James Gutrey rec’d 956 votes for sheriff (reelected)

JG-1: John Guthrie (m. Margaret Brown) GFG2A-Branch B

Patriotic Service: Bedford County Militia – Capt. James McKinney’s Company, 1st BN
Rank:
Private Soldier
Pension Record:
No
DAR Ancestor #
A048608
SAR Patriot #
Not Listed
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A-Branch B
Born:
1743 Cumberland, PA – s/o Robert Guthrie/Miss Darlington
Marital Status:
Married to Margaret Brown
Children: 3 –
Robert D, Mary, William Brown
Occupation:
Unknown, but both sons were Silversmiths and Clock/Watchmakers
Residences:
1764 – married in Lancaster; Back Creek, Hamilton Twp, now Franklin, PA; 1781 in Bethel, Bedford, PA; 1790s in Franklin, PA.
Death:
After September 1795 in Franklin County, PA
Burial:
Unknown

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

1764: 5 Nov 1764- Marriage to Margaret Brown – St James Episcopal Church – Lancaster, PA

1765: Son Born – Robert D Guthrie Eldest known child born 13 Nov 1765 ‘a native of Chester County, PA’ He later moved to Carlisle in Cumberland and worked as a Clockmaker, Watchmaker and Silversmith.

1769: Daughter Born – Mary Guthrie – DOB unknown, but baptized on 9 Aug 1769 by Rev John Culbertson of the Rocky Springs Meeting House at James Armstrong’s (Traveling minister with route bet. PA and NH). He rode in the vicinity of Rocky Springs, then Lurgan, now Letterkenny Twp, Franklin County.

1771: Bedford County PA was established on 9 March 1771 from parts of Cumberland County

1771: 13 Oct 1771 – John Gothery – witness to the will of Thomas Barnett in Hamilton Township, Cumberland, PA

1772: Son Born – William Brown Guthrie – 9 Jun 1772 in Cumberland County, PA (Franklin County not formed until 1783. As an adult, he lived in Mercersburg, Franklin, PA. He was a Silversmith and Clockmaker. He was elected Militia Captain for “The Franklin Blues” on 3 Dec 1798, a company of volunteer militia for Franklin County. (PA Arch Ser 6 Vol 4 p.703)

1773: Transcript of Taxables – Bedford County, PA – Dublin Twp. – Single Freemen: John Guthery, 15.0 (PA Arch Ser 3 Vol 22 p11) – Who is this John Guthery?

1773: Transcript of Taxables – Bedford County, PA – Springhill Twp – John Guthery, 1 pound. (PA Arch Ser 3  Vol 22 p.49) – Who is this John Guthery?

1774:  27 Dec 1774 – Warrantees of Land in Bedford – Guthrie, John – 300 acres; Guthrie, John 178 acres (PA Arch Ser 3 Vol 25 p.521) Note that John Guthrie is not on the Transcript of Taxables for Bethel Twp in 1774. (PA Arch Ser 3 Vol 22 p63)

1775: Transcript of Taxables – Bedford County, PA – Bethel Twp. – Guthery, John, 9.6 (PA Arch Ser 3 Vol 22 p.99)

1776: Transcript of Taxables – Bedford County, PA – Bethel Twp. – Guthery, John, uncultivated land tax 5 pounds, 11 shillings; Provincial Tax 2 pounds, 11 shillings. (PA Arch Ser 3 Vol 22 p145)

1777: Oath of Allegiance (Possibly JG-1)
SER 2 – VOL 14
Associators and Militia of the County of Cumberland, pp.369-472
p.460 – Guthrie, John, 21 Oct 1777 – Oath of Allegiance

1777-1780: State of the Accounts of Edward Coombe, Esq. late Sub-Lieutenant of Bedford County, from March 1777 until 1780. Receipts for sundry Militia Fines, includes John Guthrey, 20.1. (PA Arch Ser 3 Vol VII p29 State of the Accounts of Sub-Lieutenants)

1779: Return of Property – Bedford County, PA – Bethel Twp. – Guthrie, John, 150 acres, 2 horses, 5 cattle, 3 sheep. (PA Arch Ser 3 Vol 22 p.183)

1781: Property Sale: 7 Dec 1781 – John Guthrie of Bethel Township, Bedford County, and Margaret his wife, for 1,200 pounds continental currency sell to John Moroney a tract of land in said township containing 150 acres, called “Brush Heap”, same was purchased by the said John Guthrie, Aug. 15, 1778.

1782: Active Militia Duty – Captain Jeams McKinney, Bedford, 1st BN, 15 Jun-22 June 1782, 7 Days – Detachment of Men Marched Out to Assist the Frontiers to Move into the Settlement by Order of Col. Edward Coombes Sub Lt. (Rev War Military Individual Soldier Abstract Card File for Jeams McKinney)

1783: Active Militia Duty – 1783: John Guthrey, 5th Class, 1st BN Capt James McKinney’s Company, Bedford County, Company Return of 28 Apr 1783. (Rev War Military Abstract Card File for John Guthrey)

1783: Active Militia Duty – 28 April 1783: 1st BN, Captain James McKinney’s Company of Militia, Bedford County: Men’s Names: John Guthrey, 5th Class, Served personally. (PA Ser 5 Vol 5 p.100.) The above company has mustered regularly but the continued incursions of the enemy has rendered it out of the power of every individual to appear on Muster Days by being obliged to keep under Arms to defend the Frontiers – James McKinney, Capt. (PA Ser 5 Vol 5 p.101)

SER 3 – VOL 23
Muster Rolls of the Navy & Line, Militia & Rangers, 1775-1783; Pensioners, 1818-1832

p.235 – Gutrey, John – Rangers on the Frontiers 1778-1783 – Bedford County

1790: US Census of 1790 – Franklin County PA – Gutorey, John – 2 free white males 16 and upwards including head of family, 2 free white females

UNDATED ENTRIES:
1.) Depreciation Pay – Bedford County Militia – Gutry, John, private (PA Arch Ser 5, Vol 4, p240)
2.) Soldiers of the Revolution – Bedford County – Gutry, John, private (PA Arch Ser 4 Vol 4, p.605)

LRG – p.188, see footnotes 209  (Uncertain)
LRG, p700 – #210

UNK – Possibly associated with JG-1, JG-7

VOL 5 SER 6
Associators and Militia of the County of Cumberland
p.78 – Guthry, John, private, 1st BN, 7th Class, Capt John Rea, 3 Aug 1780
p.106 – Guthrey, John, private, (sickly) 1st BN, 2nd Company, 7th Class, Capt John Rea, 21 May 1781
p.160 – Guthrie, John, private, 2nd BN 3rd Class, Capt Wm Donaldson, Oct 1777

p.199 – Guthrie, John, private, 2nd BN, Capt Asa Hills Company

p.585 – Guthrie, John, private, 8th BN, 7th Class, Capt John Rea

PA ARCH SERIES 5 VOL 6 p.160
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia of the County of Cumberland
Second Battalion 3rd Class in service Oct 1777 – Capt William Donaldson, 1st Lt Thomas Briceland, 2nd Lt Thomas Guy, Ensign John Brown
Privates:  John Guthrie

JG-2: John Guthrie – Unidentified – Born 1735 County Down / Weaver

Patriotic Service: Soldier – Seven Years War (French & Indian War)
Rank:
Sergeant
Pension Record:
No
DAR Ancestor #
N/A
SAR Patriot #
N/A
Guthrie Family Group:
Unidentified
Born:
1735 in County Down, Ireland (Age 24 in 1759)
Marital Status:
Unknown
Children:
Unknown
Occupation:
Weaver
Residences:
Unknown, probably the Lower Counties of PA (Delaware)
Death:
After 1759
Burial:
Unknown

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

1759:  Guthry, John, 24, Down, Ir., May 19, weaver. A list of Recruits Enlisted by Capt. John Haslett , May 20, 1759. (PA Arch Ser 2 vol 2 p.506 / Ser 5 Vol 1 p.285) 

Soldiers in the Provincial Service – John Guthrie, Sergeant – 1759 (PA Arch 2 Vol 2 p.506)

NOTES:
Although this John Guthrie is not a Revolutionary War soldier, I included him here because I haven’t been able to identify him yet.

This is during the Seven Years War / French & Indian War period (1756-1763). Haslett owned land in Milford DE after the war having settled in the Lower Counties of Pennsylvania, which could indicate that was also his recruitment area.

JG-3: John Guthery (m. Lydia Baldwin) GFG2A-Branch D

Patriotic Service: Soldier in the 8th Pennsylvania Regiment; Washington County Militia
Rank:
Private > Ensign > Captain > Lt. Colonel
Pension Record: S41594
DAR Ancestor # A048604
SAR Patriot # P-334154
Guthrie Family Group: GFG2A-Branch D
Born: 14 April 1744 in Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married to Lydia Baldwin
Children:
12 – William, Archibald, John, Francis, George, Elizabeth, Priscilla, Aaron, Rebecca, Moses, Joseph, Lydia
Occupation:
Unknown
Residences:
Westmoreland, PA; Bedford, VA/Washington, PA; Pike, OH
Death:
1 June 1823 in Piketown, Pike, OH
Burial:
Mound Cemetery, Piketon, Pike County, Ohio

COMMENTS:
Details about John Guthery and his military service can be found in his Pension Record at Fold3, The History of Lieutenant-Colonel John Guthery of Greene County Pennsylvania and of Allied Families, by Mary Sibyl Gray May, The Tenmile Country and Its Pioneer Families: A Genealogical History of the Upper Monogahela Valley, by Howard Leckey, and the in the candid details by his youngest daughter Lydia (Guthery) Peters in the article “Old Folks Interviewed” published in the Pike County Republican Newspaper of Waverly, Ohio 4 April 1872.

Interestingly, John Guthery’s pension record focuses only on his Revolutionary War service as a Private in the 8th Pennsylvania Regiment of the Continental Line. He was commissioned as an ensign on 29 June 1779 by the recommendation of Col. Daniel Broadhead, but discharged that year as his 3-year term was completed. There was also another man of the name John Guthrie with the rank of Ensign in the 8th PA Regiment. Guthery was next associated with the Washington County Militia in Big Whitely District where he served as its Captain and later designated as Lt. Colonel.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:
1744: Born in Pennsylvania (possibly in Lancaster – formed from Chester 1729)

1770: Land Warrant issued to Lydia Baldwin – 1 Nov 1770 – Lydia’s Bottom, Mouth of Big Whitley Creek, Monangahela River, Washington County, PA (Site is adjacent to Greensboro, land later patented by John & Lydia Guthery where upon they lived and maintained Fort Guthery.) [At this time the location was Bedford, PA. In 1773 became Westmoreland, PA and in 1781 became Washington, PA. This area was also claimed by VA and CT in 1776, but PA was awarded jurisdiction.] Finally, the property was associated with Greene, PA upon its creation in 1796.

1771: Marriage to Lydia Baldwin on 13 March 1771.

1773: Formation of Westmoreland County, PA from Bedford County, PA. 

1776: Area where the family is living is claimed by PA, VA, and CT. PA is eventually awarded jurisdiction.

Pension Record S41594: A Private in the company commanded by Captain Wilson of the regiment commanded by Colonel McCoy in the PA line for the term of three years.  For the term of 3 years sometime in May 1776 in PA in the company commanded by Col Aenas Mackey (McCoy) and Lieut. Col George Wilson in the PA Line serving until May 1779 when he was discharged at Fort McIntosh.

8th Pennsylvania Regiment. – Raised for the defense of the western frontier to garrison the posts of Presque Isle, Le Boeuff, and Kittanning, to consist of seven companies from Westmoreland and one from Bedford. 

1776: Assembled at Kittanning in the fall of 1776 (Pension Record S41594)

1777: January 1777 – Marched from Kittanning PA to join Washington’s Army at Quibbletown, NJ, Feb 8th. This was a midwinter march and many men died of exposure. The area was the site of frequent raids by the British in search of food, supplies, tools, and animal feed, which was usually taken against the owners’ will and without payment.

“Congress directed the Board of War to order the regiment to march, with all possible expedition, by the nearest route, to Brunswick, New Jersey, or to join Gen. Washington wherever he may be. In the day-book, as quoted by Judge Veech, under the date of Dec 5, 1776, is this entry: “This day received intelligence for the Battalion to march to Amboy.”

The orders came as a surprise to many in the regiment as it was their impression their focus was to defend the frontier. They voiced their concerns about leaving their homes and families undefended. Yet they marched.

“Quibbletown, 28 Feb 1777. I desired the Dr by all means to visit them. They were raised about the Ohio, and had travelled near five hundred miles, as one of ht soldiers who came for the Dr. informed me. For 150 miles over mountains, never entering a house, but building fires and encamping in Snow. Considerable numbers, unused to such hardships, have since died. The Colonel (Aenas Mackay) and Lieutenant Colonel (George Wilson) among the dead. The Dr. informed he found them quartered in cold shattered houses.” (PA Arch Ser 5 Vol 3, p307)

Under the arrangement of 12 Mar 1777 Daniel Broadhead became colonel of the regiment.

1777: September 11, 1777 – Battle of Brandywine (British Victory)

1777: October 4, 1777 – Battle of Germantown (British Victory)

1778: March 5, 1778 – The 8th Regiment was ordered to Pittsburgh for the defense of the western frontiers, and by directions of Gen. McIntosh, Col. Brodhead made, about the 12th of July, a detour up the West Branch to check the savages who were ravaging Wyoming and the West Branch valley. (PA Arch Ser 5 Vol 3 p308)

1779
CR Vol12 p.31
Guthrie, John – 29 Jun 1779 – Commissioned as Ensign by recommendation of Col. Daniel Broadhead.

1779: Discharged at Fort McIntosh in 1779. (3-yr term completed)

Fort Mcintosh was an early American log frontier forn situated near the confluence of the Ohio and Beaver Rivers in what is now Beaver County, PA, originally constructed in 1778, and named in honor of Gen. Lachland McIntosh. It was occupied until it was abandoned in 1791. 

1781: Washington County, PA formed from Westmoreland, PA

1781-1784: John Guthery (Guthrage), Washington County, Captain Company 6, 1st BN Greene Twp. 1781-4 District described as “Big Whitely”  Captain 1st Co, 2nd BN 1784. (Militia Officers Index Cards)

1782: Westmoreland, CT is eliminated as a CT claim over the region.

1782: Capt John Guthery, 1st BN, Westmoreland Militia, Big Whitely District.
SER 6 – VOL 2
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia p.217 – Guthrie, John, Captain, 1st BN Washington Militia – A Return of Militia Officers, Elected, and Commissioned in Washington County PA, 4 Feb 1782.

1782: February 4, 1782 – Return of Militia – Capt. John Guthrie, Washington County PA, 1st BN company 6 (Arch 6 Vol II p217
SER 6 – VOL 2
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia
p.271 – 1st BN – Westmoreland County Militia – Guthery, John, Captain, Westmoreland, A List of Big Whitely District, under command of Lt. Col. John Pomeroy.

1784: 
SER 6 – VOL 2
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia
p.211 – Guthery, John, A return of drafts in John Guthrey’s district, Washington

One of the 1784 entries is for a ‘late Ensign’ (former) and the other an Ensign John Guthrie (current) of the 8th PA. See JG-7

MARCH/APRIL 1784
COLONIAL RECORDS (CR 1 VOL14 p.63)
Minutes of the Supreme Executive Council
Council Chamber, Philadelphia, March 31st, 1784
The Comptroller General’s reports in favor of the following officers and soldiers were read and approved and an order drawn for the interest due to each on the 10th day of April 1784, as computed by him, to be paid out of the monies arising from the excise appropriated for the discharge of interest due upon depreciation certificates, viz….
John Guthrie, late an Ensign of 8th, do. Principal 183.13.0  Interest 11.0.4

COLONIAL RECORDS (CR 1 VOL 14 p.422)

Minutes of the Supreme Executive Council
The Comptroller General’s reports in favor of the following officers and soldiers were read and approved and an order drawn for the interest due to each on the 10th day of April 1784, as computed by him, to be paid out of the monies arising from the excise appropriated for the discharge of interest due upon depreciation certificates, viz….
Ensign John Guthrie, of the eighth do., Interest 11.5.10

1784: Capt. 1st Co 2nd BN 1784, John Guthery (Guthrage) Washington County (Militia Officers Index Cards)
JULY 1784

SER 6 – VOL 2
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia
p.199 – Guthridge, John, 5th BN Washington, Lt. Co. John Guthridge, 7 Jul 1784

1785: Two Individual Records Cards
Appears in a book under the following heading: “We and each of us whose Names are hereunto subscribed, do acknowledge to have received from Major Thomas B Bowen and Captain Ercurius Beatty, Agents for the late Pennsylvania Line, the Several sums opposite to our Names, respectively, in Certificates dated July 1st, 1784, bearing Interest at six per Cent, from August 1st, 1780, signed by John Pierce, Commissioner, and described as below, being for the Balance of a Settlement between the United States and us for Pay & Subsistence to January 1st, 1781.”

John Gutherie, 8th Regiment. Date of Issue: Sept 28, 1785, No. of Certificate: 77892; Letter B 1851; Sum: 37 Dollars and 40 90ths; Signer: John Roberts )

John Guthrie, 8th Regiment. Date of IssueL Sept 28, 1785, No. of Certificate 77874; Letter I 1851; Sum: 51 Dollars and 44 90ths. Signer: JOhn Roberts;

1786: Virginia formally terminated county jurisdictions in southwest PA.

1796: Greene County formed from Washington, PA

1797-1798: Family moves from Greene, PA to the Northwest Territory

1800: Division of the Northwest Territory – Formation of Ohio (Admitted to Union in 1803)

1815: Pike County, OH was formed from Ross, Highland, Adams, Scioto, and Jackson.

1820: Applied for pension on 13 Oct 1820 and claim was allowed. Residence at application: Ohio, age at application 76. No data as to family. John Guthery certificate 19034 issued July 23, 1823 under Acts Mch 18, 1818, May 1, 1820, and Mch 1 1823, at the Ohio Agency.

1823: Pensioner
SER 3 – VOL 23
Muster Rolls of the Navy & Line, Militia & Rangers, 1775-1783; Pensioners, 1818-1832
p.580 – Guthery, John, private – Pike County, OH: PA Pensioners, P.L., July 23, 1823; 90

PENSION RECORD SUMMARY and PAGE-BY-PAGE:

Residence: 1797-1798: PA to OH
Source: Pension Record S41594
Service: Capt John Wilson, Col aneas Mackey; 8th PA Regiment

Rank: Private

Revolutionary War Military Abstract Card File Series, Pennsylvania, U.S. Veteran Card Files, 1775-1916. Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission
Guthrie, John
Rank: Ensign
Company or Commander: (Blank)
Unit: 8th Penna. Regt.
Date of Appointment: 21 Dec 1778
A/N: A return of the officers belonging to the 8th PA Reg with the dates of their commissions and appointments, Pittsburgh, 6 June 1779.
Military Accounts, A (5) III, 341

Compiled Service Records of the Soldiers who Serviced in the American Army During the Revolutionary War, 1775-1785. The National Archives. M881. NARA Record Group 93, Roll 0837.
Cards:
1. Guthrie, John – 8 Pennsylvania Regiment (Revolutionary War) Private Ensign. Cards filed with Guthery, John. A/N: Corrected 4-14-22 ESB

2. Guthry, John – 8 Pennsylvania Reg’t (Revolutionary War – Private – Card numbers crossed out. A/N: Withdrawn and filed in jancket John Guthery Ensign 8 Pa Regt. Withdrawn and filed as 13 Pa Reg where they properly belong 3-25-22.

Revolutionary War Pension Records – PA – GUTHERY, JOHN – S41594 (26 pages)

  1. Cover Card: PA – GUTHERY, JOHN – S41594
  2. Certificate 19034 Ohio – John Guthery of Pike Co in the state of Ohio who was a Private in the company commanded by Captain Wilson of the regiment commanded by Colonel McCoy in the PA line for the term of three years. Inscribed on the Roll of Ohio at the rate of 8 dollars per month to commence on 1 of March 1823. Certificate of Pension issued the 23 of July 1823 and sent to Joseph J Martin, Piketon, OH. 
  3. Affadavit of John Guthery dated 13 Oct 1820 appearing at the Court of Common Pleas for Pike County, OH
  • Aged 76 (1744)
  • For the term of 3 years sometime in May 1776 in PA in the company commanded by Col Angus McCoy and Lieut. Col George Wilson in the PA Line serving until May 1779 when he was discharged at Fort McIntosh.
  • Military Engagements: Battle of Brandywine, Germantown, Quibble Town and Battle with the Indians at Coshocton on the Muskingum River 
  1. (cont on back) 
  2. Addressed to Joseph Martin, Piketon, OH (Back)
  3. Affadavit of Samuel Reed, Enos Prather and Levi Hodges regarding the value of Guthrie’s property being $112 and no more.
  4. Typed response to a query letter by Mrs LH Gronemeyer of Quincy, IL from Earl D Church, commissioner stating that John Guthery was the only pensioner in the state of OHIO who served in PA, that he was pensioned under the rank of private, and that he stated he had no family living with him.
  5. (cont)
  6. Note regarding John Guthery being paid thru march 4 1823.— auditor Geo. C Whiting Esq, Commissioner of Pensions
  7. Addressed C Whiting Esq Com. of Pensions Washington
  8. Letter dated 23 Mar 1858 from Joseph Lane to Geo. C Whiting Esq. Comm of Pensions requesting information in the enclosed letter
  9. (back)
  10. Letter to Hon Joseph Lane, House of Representatives, from Geo C., pension office dated 30 Mar 1858 re: John Guthery of Pike, OH rate of $96 per annum and details.
  11. Filled in form letter responding to the query of Miss Alice C Truby of Lucesco, Westmoreland, PA regarding John Guthery’s service. Enlisted may 1776 for 3 yrs and discharged May 1779 at Fort McIntosh, Captain John Wilson, Col. Aneas Mackey, 8th PA. Engaged in battles at Brandywine, Germantown, Quibbletown and against the Indians at Coshocton,  Applied for pension on 13 Oct 1820 and claim was allowed. Residence at application: Ohio, age at application 76. No data as to family. John Guthery certificate 19034 issued July 23, 1823 under Acts Mch 18, 1818, May 1, 1820, and Mch 1 1823, at the Ohio Agency.
  12. An abbreviated version of above form
  13. Query Letter dated 1 May 1929 from Quincy, IL to the Commissioner of Pensions stating a plan to join the DAR and requesting info on Col. John Guthrie. 
  14. (letter cont.)
  15. (cont) signed by Mrs LH Gronemeyer
  16. (back)
  17. Query Letter dated 27 Feb 1922 from Paris, IL to the Department of the Interior, rec’d 2 Mar 1922 regarding their 3xGGF. Sent by Emma Stewart Sunkel (Mrs Frank Sunkel)
  18. Returned letter addressed to Miss Alice Truby noting it was unclaimed
  19. Letter dated 9 Jun 1908 from the Dept of Interior to Miss Alice Truby of Lucesco, Westmoreland, PA advising the Rev War pension records have no info on Stephen Mehaffey
  20. Record search 4 June 1908 – notation
  21. (back)
  22. Query Letter dated 1 jun 1908 from Miss Alice Truby to Hon V Warner Comm of Pensions requiesting the service record of John Guthrie of Westmoreland PA and Stephen Mehaffey of Armstrong Co.
  23. Invalid 41594 John Guthery

JG-4: John Guthrie, Esq. (m. Jane Reed) GFG2A-Branch G

Patriotic Service: Civil Service as Justice of the Peace / Oath of Allegiance
Rank:
N/A
Pension Record:
N/A
DAR Ancestor #
A048609
SAR Patriot #
P-171915
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A-Branch G
Born:
1725 Londonderry, Ireland
Marital Status:
Married to Jane Reed c1745 in Londonderry, Ireland; m.2 Mary (Simpson) Wallace
Children:
8 – John ‘Jack’, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane, James, Nancy, William, (FNU)
Occupation:
Lawyer / Justice of the Peace
Residences:
Londonderry, Ireland 1725-1770; Westmoreland, PA
Death:
March 1797 in Salem Twp., Westmoreland, PA
Burial:
Poke Run Presbyterian Church Cemetery

COMMENTS:

John Guthrie was already about 50 years old at the start of the American Revolution and a relative newcomer to Pennsylvania having immigrated from Londonderry Ireland about 1771 with his family. Two of his sons, Jack and William would become Patriot Soldiers. John was appointed as one of the Justices of the Peace for the county of Westmoreland taking the Oath of Allegiance.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:
1725: Born in Londonderry, Ireland

1745: Married Jane Reed in Londonderry, Ireland

1752 – 1767: Children John ‘Jack’ (1752), Elizabeth (1755), Sarah (1763) and Jane (1767) were born in Londonderry, Ireland. Son James may have been born in Londonderry or Pennsylvania.

Abt. 1771: American Immigration. 

1771: Children James and Nancy were born about 1771. (No indication that they are twins, just no specific DOB)

1773: Formation of Westmoreland County, PA from Allegheny County on 26 Feb 1773.

1775:  John Guthrie was already 50 years old.

1777: June 11 –  Justice of the Peace, Westmoreland, PA / Oath of Allegiance
Colonial Records: Minutes of the Provincial Council – Volume 11
p.220 – Guthrey, John – Appointment as one of 15 Justices for the County of Westmoreland, Ordered to be commissioned accordingly. Supreme Executive Council, Philadelphia, Wed. 11 June 1777.

SER 2 – VOL 3
Names of Persons who took the Oath of Allegiance to the State of PA 1776-1794, pp.2-86
p.681 Guthrie, John (justice of the peace) 11 Jun 1777

1777: July – son William born.

1780: Death of Wife Jane (Reed) Guthrie in Salem, Westmoreland, PA

Aft. 1781: John Guthrie married Mrs. Mary (Simpson) Wallace, the widow of Richard Wallace who died during the Lochry Expedition in 1781.

15 Feb 1782: Hempfield TWP – John Guthrie Esq, JP performed marriage of Matthew Jack and Nancy Wilson.

1782:  July 13, 1782 – The Attack on Hannastown
Joseph Brownlee left the management of his farm in the care of his father-in-law, John Guthrie, while he was away during the American Revolution. By 1782, he had returned. Cornwallis had surrendered at Yorktown only a matter of months before, but that did not stop the Seneca Chief and associated Tories from planning another attack. Col. John Butler, commander of Butler’s Rangers, ordered Robert Lottridge, a captain in the British Indian Dept. to accompany the Indian raiding party that consisted of about 250 warriors as they set off from Niagara to attack Hannas Town.

John Guthrie’s youngest son died or disappeared during the attack having wandered away from the house to play. Joseph Brownlee, his son-in-law, and John Brownlee, his 3-4 year old grandson, were hatcheted to death. His daughter, Elizabeth (Guthrie) Brownlee, and her 4 month old daughter, Jane, were taken as captives and marched to Buffalo and Niagara, sold to the British, held prisoner, and after a year were released and returned home.

1783:  Westmoreland County 1783 Return of Taxables
p.432 – Guthrie, Jn’o Esqr – 1783 Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland – Transcript of Property – 0 Acres, 1 Horse, 2 Cattle, 0 Sheep (SER 3 – VOL 22)

1784: Organization of Poke Run Church in Westmoreland, PA

1786: Westmoreland County 1786 Return of Taxables
p.507 – Guthrie, Jn’o – 1786 Hempfield (North District), Westmoreland – Return of State Tax – Tax: 2.6 (SER 3 – VOL 22)

1788: Property (Sale) – 3 April 1788 – Salem, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
John Guthrie to Michael Ringer, a tract of 140 perches, adj John Guthrie senior for 150 pounds gold or silver.

1788: Neighbor – 13 Jul 1788 – Salem, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
The Will of Walter Anthony lists John Guthrie as owning neighboring lands.

1788: Property 1788 – Salem, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
“Like all the earliest settlers in Westmoreland, John Guthrie “squatted” on the lands he held and it was several years before he obtained the title to them from the Proprietaries.

1790: Federal US Census of Salem, Westmoreland, PA
John Guthrie Household: 2 Free White Males under 16; 2 Free White Males 16 and over, 2 Free White Females.

1790-1794:
Reprinting the Minutes of the Executive Department from 1790 to 1794
p.317 – Guthrie, John Senr appointed & commissioned by Governor as Justice of the Peace for the District of Salem Township, Westmoreland.

1790: Deed in Lieu of Will – 12 Jan 1790 • Salem, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, USA
Deed spells out that his wife Mary Guthrie will be able to dispose of all benefits entitled to him by the estate of Richard Wallace (her first husband).

1791:  Property (Sale) – 14 Dec 1791 – Salem, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
John Guthrie, senior, and Mary, his wife, both of Salem…Whereas the Commonwealth granted 1 March 1787 a tract of land called ‘Guthrie’s Fancy’ unto the said John, said John now sells to Michael Ringer containing 142 acres, 112 perches

1795:  Property (Sale) – 9 Oct 1795 – Salem, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, USA
John Guthrie Esq sells property to James Guthrie & William Guthrie with certain considerations on behalf of his wife Mary Guthrie.

1797: March – Death of John Guthrie in Salem Twp, Westmoreland, PA. Buried at Poke Run Cemetery.

JG-5: John ‘Jack’ Guthrie (m. Mary Erwin Loughry/Lochry) GFG2A-Branch G

Patriotic Service: Captain Rangers; POW (See Timeline)
Rank:
Adjutant / Captain
Pension Record:
No
DAR Ancestor #
A203667 – DAR Plaque at Poke Run Cemetery
SAR Patriot #
None
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A – Branch G, son of John Guthrie and Jane Reed
Born:
1752 Londonderry, Ireland
Marital Status:
Married to Mary (Erwin) Lochry / Loughry
Children:
5 – John, James, Margaret, Jenny, Samuel
Occupation:
Lawyer / Ranger
Residences:
Londonderry, Ireland 1752-c1771; Westmoreland County, PA
Death:
1805 in PA or KY
Burial:
Unknown, possibly at Poke Run Cemetery or KY

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

1752: Born in Londonderry, Ireland (son of JG-4 John Guthrie/Jane Reed)

1771: American Immigration abt. 19 years of age.

1773: Formation of Westmoreland County, PA from Allegheny County on 26 Feb 1773.

1777: John Guthrie, Adjutant
His father was a lawyer and appointed as Justice of the Peace for Westmoreland. John was also trained in the law and served as Adjutant, with the rank of Captain. He is listed as an ‘Associators & Militia of Westmoreland, 2nd Battalion, 7th Company –Court Martial men’ (officers appointed to conduct a court martial)– John Gutree & Matthew Miller.

1777-1786: Ranger / Adjutant
Rangers on the Frontiers, Washington County, 1778-1786, “John Guthrie, Adjutant, Westmoreland County.” (Pa Arch Ser 3 Vol 23, p214).

1781: John Guthrie, Private in Capt. Thomas Stokely’s Company of Westmoreland Militia (SER 6 VOL.2, p.330)

1781: August – Lochry’s Defeat / Taken Prisoner 24 Aug 1781
“On Aug 24, 1781, Col. Archibald Lochry and 107 recruits for Gen. Clark were ambushed at Lochry Creek by Joseph Brant’s raiders. One-third were killed, the rest captured. Lochry and the wounded were later murdered.” (Historical Marker erected by the SAR 1961)

“The next morning the Indians set out for their homes with their prisoners, whom they kept until the close of the Revolution, late in 1782. The loss of Lochry’s expedition was the heaviest sustained by the County of Westmoreland in any single action. None of them returned home until the spring of 1783, when they came by way of Quebec, New York, and Philadelphia.” (Old and New Westmoreland, p.339)

1782:  July 17, 1782 – Escaped from Canada
CR – Vol13
p.332 – Guthrie, John – 17 Jul 1782 – Treasurer to pay John Guthrie, John Scott, and James Robinson the sum of 3 dollars each, they being in habitants of Westmoreland County, taken prisoners and carried into Canada from whence they have made their escape to this place (Philadelphia), the same being to bear their expenses to their several homes.

SER 2 – VOL 14
Lochry’s Expedition, pp.681-689
p.683 – Guthrie, John, private – Capt. Stokely’s Company – taken prisoner, released Dec 1782

1783: Spring – Those who did not escape were held prisoner until the spring of 1783 when they were part of a prisoner exchange between the American and British forces.

LOCHRY’S DEFEAT – See Article Fold 3
As far as the records show, the following were the only members of this expedition who returned to their homes in Westmoreland: Richard Wallace, of Fort Wallace, who was quartermaster to Colonel Lochry. Captain Thomas Stokely, Lieutenant Richard Fleming, Robert Watson, John Marrs, Michael Hare, JOHN GUTHRIE, John Scott, James Robinson, James Kane, John Crawford, Peter McHarge and James Dunseath. Lieutenant Isaac Anderson, of Captain Shannon’s company.Ezekiel Lewis, of Captain Campbell’s company. Captain Robert Orr, Lieutenant Samuel Craig Jr., Ensign James Hunter and Manasseh Coyle. James McPherson, one of the captives, accepted British service, and acted with the Indians on the northwestern border until after Wayne’s victory in 1794.

PA ARCH SERIES 6 VOL 2
p.330
Battalions Not Stated Westmoreland County Militia
Captain Stokely’s Company
Capt. Thomas Stokely, Lt. Richard Fleming, a captive among the Indians in 1783. Ensign William Cooper. John Guthrie, taken prisoner, released Dec 1783.
[Note: John Guthrie actually escaped with two other men in 1782.]

1783: Return of Taxables 1783 Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland
SER 3 VOL 22 p.433 – Guthry, Jn’o Jun’r, single – 1783 Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland – Transcript of Property – 0 Acres, 1 Horse, 0 Cattle, 0 Sheep

1786: Return of State Tax 1786 – Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland
SER 3 VOL 22 p.521 – Guthrie, Jn’o – 1786 Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland – Return of State Tax – Tax: 4.0

1789:  Marriage to Mrs Mary (Erwin) Lochry – widow of Col. Archibald Lochry – 6 May 1789

1794: June – Indian Attack
“Savages attacked the boat of Capt. Sharp as he was descending the Kiskiminetas.” Capt. Jack Guthrie and his pregnant wife Mary were aboard. The boat floated down the Allegheny past Deer Creek and was pulled ashore. Jack was probably wounded. (Narrative of Massy Harbison)

1800: Federal US Census of Washington, Westmoreland, PA
John Guthrie Household: 1M & 1F 26-44 (wrong age range for Jack who was about 48), 3F 16-25, 2F 10-15, 2M & 2F<10.

1805: Death in KY
Jack reportedly traveled to KY under the prospect of moving his family there, but got ill and died within a few days. Some believe that Jack actually died in Pennsylvania and is buried at Poke Run Cemetery.

NO SPECIFIC YEAR:
Service: Westmoreland Frontier Rangers / Capt Thomas Stokely; LCol Arch Lochry’s Exp; Prisoner of War

Compiled Service Records of the Soldiers who Serviced in the American Army During the Revolutionary War, 1775-1785. The National Archives. M881. NARA Record Group 93, Roll 0837.
Cards:

  1. Guthrie (John), Lochry’s Battalion, Pennsylvania, (Revolutionary War), Adjt. (crossed out) Card Number 39190514
  2. Lochry’s Battalion, PA – GUTHRIE, Adjutant, appears on a photostatic copy of a list* of Rev soldiers with Col Archibald Lochry, killed, or taken prisoners Aug 24, 1781. List not dated. Names supplied by US Pension office. Remarks: Prisoner (John) Guthrie. *Original List in British Museum.

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 23
Muster Rolls of the Navy and Line, Militia and Rangers, 1775-1783. with List of Pensioners, 1818-1832.
Rangers of the Frontier – 1778 – 1783 p.214
John Guthrie, Adj. Westm’d

PA ARCH SERIES 5 VOL 4
Soldiers Who Received Depreciation Pay as Per Cancelled Certificates on File in the Division of Public Records, Pennsylvania State Library.
p.439 Depreciation Pay
Guthery, William, private
Guthrie, John, adjutant
Guthrie, William, captain

PA ARCH SERIES 5 VOL 4
p.743
List of “Soldiers of the Revolution who received pay for their services,” Taken from Manuscript Record, having neither date nor title, but under “Rangers on the Frontiers, 1778-1783”
Guthrie, John, adjutant
Guthrie, Wm, captain
Guthrie, William, private

UNK and JG-5
SER 5 VOL 4
Soldiers Who Received Depreciation Pay, pp.105-496
p.240 – Guthery, John, private
p.240 – Gutry, John, private
p.439 – Guthrie, John, adjutant (Five was a ‘Court Martial Man’)
p.491 – Guthrie, John

Soldiers of the Revolution, pp.597-778
p.605 – Gutrey, John private
p.743 – Guthrie, John, adjutant (Five was a ‘Court Martial Man’)

SER 6 – VOL 2
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia
p.330 – Guthrie, John, private, aken prisoner; released Dec 1782; Capt. Stokely’s company.

1777: 2nd BN Westmoreland County, Court Martial Men: John Gutree – 10 Jun 1777, under Col. Archibald Lochry.

SER 6 – VOL 2
Muster Rolls Relating to the Associators and Militia
p.305 – Gutree, John, 7th Company Court Martial Men, Westmoreland, John Gutree, Mathew Miller.

JG-5?
SER 6 VOL 5
Muster and Pay Rolls, Pennsylvania Militia, 1790-1800
p.613 – Gutherie, John, private, Ranger, Westmoreland, Capt Wm Crawford, 3Apr – 12Dec 1793
p.787 – Guthrie, John, Rec’d oaths of soldiers of Capt William Hills Company of Militia 4th Regt of Westmoreland after their receipt of pay.

JG-6: John Guthrie – Unidentified – Died 1776PA

Patriotic Service: Soldier in Col. Atlee’s Musketry BN, Capt. Francis Murray’s Company; POW
Rank:
Private Soldier
Pension Record:
N/A – Died during Revolutionary War; No Known Widow
DAR Ancestor #
None
SAR Patriot #
None
Guthrie Family Group:
Unidentified
Born:
Unknown
Marital Status:
Unknown
Children:
Unknown
Occupation:
Unknown
Residences:
Pennsylvania
Death:
8 December 1776 in New York
Burial:
Presumably in New York

WHO IS THIS JOHN GUTHRIE?

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

1776: 27 Aug 1776Battle of Long Island – John Guthrie was captured and imprisoned.

John Guthrie was a Private in Capt. Murray’s Company. Reported Missing 27 Aug 1776

The Wikipedia Entry on Samuel John Atlee reveals what his regiment was doing on that fateful day:
During the Battle of Long Island on August 27, 1776, Atlee led the original defense of the Old Stone House in Brooklyn, New York. The house was situated on high ground and covered the American withdrawal. Atlee’s force was driven from the house, but General William Alexander (American general) came to support him. The Americans twice recaptured the house. The defenders directly engaged three British regiments, led by General Cornwallis. They held out until noon, allowing most of the Continental forces in Brooklyn to successfully withdraw to the Brooklyn Heights. At last, surrounded and cut off by the Hessians, General Alexander surrendered in the early afternoon. While watching this action from fortifications to the north on Brooklyn Heights, General Washington remarked, “Good God, what brave men must I lose this day!” Samuel Atlee remained a prisoner of war until he was exchanged in October 1778.

1776: October 1776 – Colonel Atlee, who had been captured, was freed during a prisoner exchange in Oct 1776

1776: December – Died at New York 8 Dec 1776
Capt. Francis Murray, who had also been captured at Long Island was exchanged on 9 Dec 1776 for a Captain Anstruther, and was afterward promoted to Major. John Guthrie was not on the 9 Dec 1776 list of Privates exchanged. His death recorded as 8 Dec 1778.

Revolutionary War Military Abstract Card File Series, Pennsylvania, U.S. Veteran Card Files, 1775-1916. Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission
Guthrie, John
Rank (Pvt)
Company or Commander:  Capt. Francis Murray
Unit: PA Musketry BN
Time of Service: 1 Aug – 1 Sep 1776
Duty:  Missing
M/R/ Capt. Murray’s Company, Kingsbridge, 1 Sep 1776, PA (5) II, 477-479
[Note: Kingsbridge is in Somerset, which was formed from Bedford in 1795]

PA ARCH SERIES 2 VOL X p.252
The Musketry Battalion. Col. Samuel J. Atlee. March 6, 1776.
Roll of Captain Francis Murray’s Company
Guthrie, John, missing since August 27, 1776

PA ARCH SERIES 5 VOL 2
p.476
The Musketry Battalion. Colonel Samuel J. Atlee. March 6, 1776.
Roll of Captain Francis Murray’s Company
Privates:  Guthrie, John, missing since August 27, 1776

The Musketry Battalion – Col Samuel J Atlee – 6 Mar 1776, pp.465-510
p.476 – Guthrie, John, private, missing since 27 Aug 1776 – Capt Francis Murray’s Company
p.478 – Guthrie, John, private, missing since 27 Aug 1776 – Capt. Francis Murray’s Company Commanded late by Col Sam’l J Atlee Esq, now by Col. Daniel Broadhead Esq, at Camp near King’s Bridge in West Chester.

Compiled Service Records of the Soldiers who Serviced in the American Army During the Revolutionary War, 1775-1785. The National Archives. M881. NARA Record Group 93, Roll 0837.
Cards:
1. Guthrie, John – Atley’s Regt. (Musket Battn.) Pennsylvania (Revolutionary War. Card Numbers 87390389.

2. Jno. Guthrie – Return of Men’s Names (formerly of my Company in Col. Attley’s Regt. having Arrears due them) that were taken prisoner on Long Island & in Fort Washington, some of them died whilst Prisoners who are indebted to me for Money advanced whilst some of them has Wives & children who are under a great Necessity for the over plus pay”—bearing the following certificate:  “I do certify that the pay annexed to the above Names for the time therein mentioned has not been drawn either by themselves or any other.”—Francis Murray, Major
Revolutionary War
Returned Dated: Camp Dec 27, 1777
Remarks:  Died at New York 8 Dec 1776, Pay due 3 mos. 8 days at L2.S10.D0 per mo. L8.3.4

WIKIPEDIA Entry on Samuel John Atlee

During the Battle of Long Island on August 27, 1776, Samuel Atlee led the original defense of the Old Stone House in Brooklyn, New York. The house was situated on high ground and covered the American withdrawal. Atlee’s force was driven from the house, but General William Alexander (American general) came to support him. The Americans twice recaptured the house. The defenders directly engaged three British regiments, led by General Cornwallis. They held out until noon, allowing most of the Continental forces in Brooklyn to successfully withdraw to Brooklyn Heights. At last, surrounded and cut off by the Hessians, General Alexander surrendered in the early afternoon. While watching this action from fortifications to the north on Brooklyn Heights, General Washington remarked, “Good God, what brave men must I lose this day!” Samuel Atlee remained a prisoner of war until he was exchanged in October 1778.

JG-7: John Guthrie (m. Sarah Ann Davis) GFG2A – Branch E

Patriotic Service: Soldier
Rank:
Ensign
Pension Record:
No
DAR Ancestor #
A048599
SAR Patriot #
P-334609
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A – Branch E, s/o Robert Guthrie and Bridget Dougherty
Born:
11 Jan 1749 in Lancaster County, PA
Marital Status:
Married to Sarah Ann Davis
Children:
7 – Robert, James Verner, Margaret, Prudentia Ellis, Sarah, Ellen, John
Occupation:
Unknown
Residences:
1777-1791 in Carlisle, Cumberland, PA; Pittsburg, Allegheny, PA
Death:
12 August 1832 in Pittsburg, Allegheny, PA
Burial:
First Presbyterian Church, Pittsburgh (Grave not located when burials moved in 1902.)

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

1774 and 1776: Pre-War years under Armstrong (1774) and (1776) Lacey’s command in campaigns on the western frontier. 

Lancaster Examiner, Thursday, August 23rd, 1832: “Died, John Guthrie, a soldier of the Revolution. He was born in Lancaster, PA, on January 11th, 1739. He volunteered as a soldier under Gen. Armstrong from Carlisle in 1774, and again under Gen. Lacey, in  1776; and continued battling against his country’s foes until 1779, when his wounds compelled him to leave the service. He invariably sustained the character of a brave and honest man.”

Pittsburg Democrat, August 16, 1832: “Another Revolutionary Hero Gone! Died, on Sunday at 5 o’clock AM, John Guthrie, of this city, a soldier of the Revolution. He was born in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, on the 11th January, 1839.—volunteered under General Armstrong, from Carlisle, in 1774, and again under General Lacey, in 1776; and continued battling against his country’s foes until 1779, when his wounds compelled him to leave the service.— He invariably sustained the character of a brave soldier and honest man. On Sunday evening, his remains were followed to the grave by a large concourse of citizens, and attended by upwards of 150 members of the volunteer corps of this city.”

  • John Armstrong was a settler of Cumberland PA and a surveyor along the frontier
  • In 1756, Col. Armstrong was appointed by PA to head an expedition against Kittanning, a Delaware and Shawnee Stronghold on the Allegheny during the French & Indian War. He continued service with the Military until the end of the F&I War in 1763 and subsequent struggles later.
  • Timelines found do not say what Armstrong was doing in 1774.
  • On 1 March 1776, Congress elected him Brigadier-General and he was directed to SC to bolster its defenses against the British siege. Armstrong then returned to PA, promoted to Major-General, and played a key role at the Battle of Brandywine.
  • A native of Bucks County, PA, John Lacey was a member of a local militia unit which was incorporated into the Pennsylvania Line of the Continental Army. He served as a Captain under Colonel Anthony Wayne on the Canadian frontier in 1776, but he and Wayne got along poorly, so Lacey resigned his commission and returned home. In 1777, he served as a Lt. Col in a Bucks County Regiment of militia, and fought at Germantown and Matson’s Ford. His reputation earned him an appointment to Brigadier General in Jan 1778. He commanded forces at the Battle of Crooked Billet.

(4th BN – Col. Anthony Wayne – Captain John Lacey’s Company, commissioned 5 Jan 1776; commissioned brigadier general 9 Jan 1778) – See LIST – John Guthrie not found on list.

Abt. 1775: Marriage to Sarah Ann Davis

1776: Birth of Eldest Son, Robert Guthrie on 15 Feb 1776 in Carlisle, Cumberland, PA

1776: 27 August 1776 – Served as a commissioned officer in one of the PA Reg in Lord Sterling’s Brigade of Sullivan’s Division at Battle of Long Island where he was wounded and captured. 

As the army grew and reorganized over the summer, William Alexander, Lord Stirling, assumed command of a brigade of Major General John Sullivan’s Division, which included troops from MD, DE, and PA. (ThoughtCo.)

About 300 Americans were killed and over 1000 captured. As few as half of the prisoners survived. Many were held prisoner aboard British ships just off the shore of Brooklyn, and some later transferred to locations, such as the Middle Dutch Church. 

Diary of Lieut. James Michael – 27 Aug 1776 – “Thus happened the memorable action on Long Island, where the enemy attacked and defeated Lord Stirling’s brigade, consisting of the following regiments: Colonels Miles, Atlee, Smallwood, and Hazlet. Major General Sullivan, Brig. Gen. Lord Stirling were taken prisoners, also Col. Miles and Atlee; Lieut. Col. Piper—all of our regiment also, 19 commissioned officers, 23 sergeants, and 310 rank and file.”  (pp.198-199)

Since John Guthrie was reportedly captured at this time, he was presumably among those released during a prisoner exchange sometime in 1776 or 1777.

1776 or 1777 – Served as a commissioned officer in the Battle of Trenton, wounded. The First Battle of Trenton was Dec 26 1777 (Patriot Victory), and Second Battle of Trenton on 2 January 1777 (Patriot Victory)

The first would place him at the crossing of the Delaware. Trenton was a small town in New Jersey then occupied by four regiments of Hessian soldiers numbering about 1,400 men. Washington’s forces were comprised of 2,400 men with infantry divisions commanded by Major Generals Nathaniel Greene and John Sullivan, and artillery under the direction of Brigadier General Henry Knox. (Battle of Trenton) “Only 3 Americans were killed and 6 wounded.”

The 2nd aka Battle of Assunpink Creek. Washington expected a strong counter attack from the British. He also knew that most of his men’s enlistments were expiring on December 31st. He made an appeal to them to stay for one additional month for a bounty of 10 dollars. After a stirring speak most of them stepped forward. “7 killed and 100 wounded.”

1777: 8th PA NJ Campaign in Morgan’s Rifle Command until it was disbanded

About 1777, Daniel Morgan was promoted to Colonel and ordered to raise a regiment of 500 riflemen. They joined the army at Morristown, NJ late in March. During engagements designed to prevent General Howe from crossing New Jersey, Morgan’s Sharpshooters were invaluable. They were instrumental in defeating Burgoyne at Saratoga. In Nov 1777, the regiment joined Gen Washington at Whitemarsh, near Philadelphia in time to take part at Chestnut Hill on Dec 8. They were part of the Monmouth campaign in June 1778, but not present at the battle on the 28th. They joined in the pursuit of the enemy and took prisoners. On 30 Jun 1779, Morgan disbanded the regiment.

Joined the 8th Pennsylvania Regiment under Col. Daniel Broadhead.

1777-8: Wintered at Valley Forge

1778: March – Marched with the 8th PA Regt under Col. Broadhead to Fort Pitt. Expedition up the West Branch of the Susquehanna in July, Returned to Fort Pitt and was appointed an Ensign.

1778: June – Birth of 2nd Child – James Verner Guthrie on 27 Jun 1778 in Carlisle, Cumberland

1778:  31 Dec 1778 – Sergeant John Guthrie appointed Ensign at Forth McIntosh
(PA ARCH SERIES 2 VOL X p.660 and SERIES 5 VOL III p309)
Continental Line. Eighth Pennsylvania. July 20, 1776-January 17, 1781.

“December 31 (1778), at Fort McIntosh: as the Eighth regiment is deficient in subalterns, the Gen. appoints sergeants JOHN GUTHRIE, John Clark, Thomas Wiatt, and James Morrison to be ensigns.”

SER 2 – VOL 10 – p.660
Continental Line: Eighth Pennsylvania – 20 Jul 1776 – 17 Jan 1781, pp.655-688
p.660 – Guthrie, John, sergeant appointment to ensign, 31 Dec 1778, Fort McIntosh

(PA ARCH SERIES 5 VOL 3 p.341)

A Return of Officers – 8th PA Regt
Ensign John Guthrie Commission Date: Appointed 21 Dec 1778

PA ARCH SERIES 2 VOL X
p.668
Continental Line. Eighth Pennsylvania. July 20, 1776-January 17, 1781.

Ensigns:  Guthrie, John appointed 21 Dec 1778; attached to Morgan’s rifle command, 1777-1778; residing in Lexington, KY in 1822.  

[As far as is known, neither JG-3 nor JG-7 were living in Lexington KY in 1822. Cannot find the PA ARCH SERIES notation that indicates who IS living there. The promotion and Morgan’s Rifle Command are associated with JG-7. Possible he was in KY and returned to Pittsburgh before his death in 1832, but if so fact is undocumented.]

1779: Paid Supply Tax

Source: PA Arch 3rd Series vol 20 pp132, 134
Service: Paid Supply Tax 1779 Cumberland County

1780: Remained with Broadhead until 1780 and then Joined the Cumberland Militia.

JG-7 or Ensign WM Guthrey, probably latter

SER 1 – VOL 8 – Ensign Guthrey

p.596 – Guthrey, Ensign – Fort Pitt, 2 Nov 1780 – Letter Col. Broadhead to Pres. Reed. Upwards of 40 men from the neighborhood of Hannastown attempted an attack on the friendly Delaware Indians gathered to aid Broadhead’s planned incursion against the hostile tribles. “I was not a little surprised to find the late Captains Irwin & Jack, Lieut. Brownlee, & Ensign Guthrey concerned in this base attempt. I suppose the women & children were to suffer an equal Carnage with the men.”

1781: Birth of 3rd Child – Margaret Guthrie 16 Nov 1781 in Carlisle, Cumberland, PA

1784: Received Depreciation Pay
JG-3 vs JG-7
?
COLONIAL RECORDS (SERIES 1 VOL 14)p.63
Minutes of the Supreme Executive Council
Council Chamber, Philadelphia, March 31st, 1784
The Comptroller General’s reports in favor of the following officers and soldiers were read and approved and an order drawn for the interest due to each on the 10th day of April 1784, as computed by him, to be paid out of the monies arising from the excise appropriated for the discharge of interest due upon depreciation certificates, viz….
John Guthrie, late an Ensign of 8th, do. Principal 183.13.0  Interest 11.0.4

JG-3 vs JG-7?
COLONIAL RECORDS (SERIES 1 VOL 14) p.422

Minutes of the Supreme Executive Council
The Comptroller General’s reports in favor of the following officers and soldiers were read and approved and an order drawn for the interest due to each on the 10th day of April 1784, as computed by him, to be paid out of the monies arising from the excise appropriated for the discharge of interest due upon depreciation certificates, viz….
Ensign John Guthrie, of the eighth do., Interest 11.5.10

1789: Birth of 4th Child – Prudentia Ellis Guthrie 4 May 1789 at Annapolis, Maryland

1791 – 30 March 1791 –
Prudentia Ellis Gothrie, parents: John Gothrie & Sara Davis, born: 1 Mar 1779, chr: 30 Mar 1791, 1st Evangelical Church of Carlisle; LDS Film 823844.

1791: Served with distinction during the border troubles after the war.

RG-1: Robert Guthrie (m. Elizabeth Jane Caldwell) GFG2C

Patriotic Service: Private in Gideon Long’s Company, Continental Line
Rank:
Private Soldier
Pension Record: None
DAR Ancestor # A213799
SAR Patriot # P-171924
Guthrie Family Group: GFG2C (Parents Unidentified)
Born: 1752 in Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married to Elizabeth Jane Caldwell
Children: 16 – William, Elizabeth, Nathaniel, Margaret, Robert Caldwell, Jane, Samuel, John Allen, Mary, Agnes ‘Nancy’, David, James Caldwell, Joseph, Sarah, Martha, and Josiah.
Occupation: Farmer
Residence: 1787 – Hopewell Twp., Washington County, PA
Residence: 1803 – Cadiz, Harrison County, OH

Death: Before 6 July 1815 in Cadiz, Harrison County, OH
Burial:
Nottingham Cemetery, Cadiz, Harrison County, OH

COMMENTS:

Robert Guthrie’s family origins are technically unknown. American Guthrie and Allied Families author, Laurence R Guthrie, grouped him with the theoretical family of GFG2A-Branch I: James Guthrie and Miss Bissell. Not only does that branch of the group a timeline problem, the genetic link between GFG2A and Robert Guthrie’s descendants results in a mismatch at his generation. Due to the lack of a Pension Record, there is not a lot of background information on his family or service. He lived in Hopewell Township, Washington County during the 1780s. Robert Guthrie reportedly served as a Private soldier in Capt. Gideon Long’s Company, which is listed under Westmoreland County Rangers on the Frontiers. However, prior to that, Long was associated with the 1st BN Washington County Militia.

There is a Widow’s Pension Record for Hannah Long, wife of Gideon Long, which might shed some light as to Guthrie’s activities with that company. In 1782, Gideon Long was an ensign in the 1st BN Washington County Militia recruited in Whiteley and Greene Twp (now Greene County). The captain of this same BN was Capt. John Guthrey. (GFG2A-Branch D). According to info revealed in Pastor John Corbly and his Neighbors, the whole Long family were neighbors of Capt. John Guthrey. Note that this same John Guthrey also moved his family to Ohio after the war.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 23
Muster Rolls of the Navy and Line, Militia and Rangers, 1775-1783, and Pensioners, 1818-32
Rangers on the Frontiers – 1778-1783
p.310
Gideon Long’s Company— Gideon Long, Captain. Robert Guttery. 28 others listed under the heading for Westmoreland County Rangers on the Frontiers.

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 22
Guttery, Robert xxii, 742
County of Washington 1781 – Hopewell Township – Effective Supply Tax
Guttery, Robert – No Acres, 1 Horse, 1 Cattle, No Sheep, Value 10
(No Other Guthries on Page)

The DAR summary page forAncestor A213799 – Robert Guttery indicates that he “suffered depredation” in 1782 listing the following source. Details unknown.
Service Source: PA Hist & Mus Comm, RG 4.61, Roll #340
Suffered Depredation, 1782

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 25 – PART 1
Warrantees of Land in the Several Counties of the State of PA 1730-1898
Franklin County p1-51
Guthrie, Robert – 400 acres – Date of Survey: 19 Mar 1794
(No Other Guthries)

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 26
Warrantees of Land in the County of Washington, 1784-1892
p.560 Guthery, Robert – 400 acres – Date of Survey: 9 Feb 1785

PA ARCH SERIES 6 VOL 2
p.124
A List of Capt. Eliazer Williamson’s Company of the 3d Batt’l Washington County
Capt Eliazer Williamson, Lt William McWilliams, Ensign Jacob Miller, 1st Sergt. Francis Miller… 2nd Class: Robert Guthrey, James Gill, John Williamson Senr, Thomas Lane, John Cane, John McWilliams, Joshua Russel, John Summers

RG-2: Robert Guthrie (m. Agnes Gordon) GFG2A – Branch E

Patriotic Service: Soldier in the 2nd BN Cumberland County Militia
Rank:
Private
Pension Record:
None
DAR Ancestor #
None
SAR Patriot #
P-171923
Guthrie Family Group:
GFG2A – Branch E
Born:
Before 1737 in Ireland, s/o Robert Guthrie and Bridget Dougherty
Marital Status:
Married to Agnes Gordon
Children:
8 – Elizabeth, James, Mary ‘Polley’, Isabel, William, Robert, Jean, and Joseph
Occupation:
Carpenter / Cabinetmaker
Residence 1737:
Ireland
Residence 1740s: Lancaster County, Pennsyulvania
Residence 1750s – 1780: Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA
Residence 1780s-1790: Cecil, Washington County, PA
Residence1790s – 1808: Chartiers, Washington County, PA
Death:
Jan 1808 in Chartiers, Washington County, PA
Burial:
Reportedly at the 1st Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh

COMMENTS: During the early war years, Robert Guthrie was living Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA. He is associated with the 2nd BN Cumberland Militia. There is a discrepancy in published works as to his DOD. In ‘Records of the Guthrie Family’, Dunn & Dunn list his DOD as 1804 in Pittsburgh, but his will was not probated until 1808 in Chartiers, Washington, PA records. He was also reportedly buried at the 1st Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh, as was his brother John Guthrie, but neither body was discovered when those interred there were moved.

TIMELINE / RECORDS:


REVOLUTIONARY WAR SERVICE RECORDS

  1. Guthery, Robert , 2nd Battalion Cumberland County Militia PA Revolutionary War
    Rank:  Private
    Card: 3712058
  2. Robt. Guthery appears with the rank of Private on a Muster Roll of a part of a Company of the 2nd Battalion of Cumberland County Militia, commanded by Col, John Allison, now under the care of James Erwin, Capt. (Revolutionary War) taken from the 6th of Dec to the 24 both days included, 1776. Roll Not Dated. Remarks Entered into service Dec 6, 1776.

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 20
State and Supply Transcripts of the County of Cumberland, 1778-1782, and 1785
Guttery, Robert xx 106
First State Tax – West Pennsborough Township
Guttery, Robert – 48 Acres, No Negroes, 2 Horses, 2 Cattle, Tax: 7.8.0
(No other Guthries)

Guthrie, Robert xx, 271
Supply Rates – Carlisle – County of Cumberland – 1780
Guthrie, John, No Acres, 1 Horse, No Cattle, No Negroes (p.267)
Freemen – Guthrie, Rob’t Jun’r – Amount of Tax – 5.0.0 (p.271)

Guthrey, Robert xx, 409
Transcripts and Taxables – Carlisle
Guthrey, John, No Acres, No Horses, No Cattle, No Negroes (p.405)
Freemen – Guthrey, Robert – Amount of Tax 44.18.8 (p.409)

Guthrie, Robert xx 553
Transcripts of Taxables – Carlisle – County of Cumberland – 1782
Guthrie, John, butcher, No Acres, No Horses, No Cattle, No Negroes (p.548)
Freemen – Guthrie, Rob’t Jun’r – Amount of Tax – 6.8

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 22
Returns of Taxables – County of Washington 1781 – Cecil Township – Effective Supply Tax
p.715
Guthrie, Robert – 360 Acres, 2 Horses, 3 Cattle, 4 Sheep, 202 Value
(No other Guthries on Page)

PA ARCH SERIES 3 VOL 24 – PART 15
Warrantees of Land in the County of Cumberland – 1750-1874
“G” Section begins p. 677
p.678 – Guthry, Robert – 200 acres – Date of Survey: 8 Feb 1763
p.679 – Guthry, James – 100 Acres – Date of Survey: 3 Jun 1763
p.679 – Guthry, James – 50 Accres – Date of Survey: 28 Apr 1767

PA ARCH SERIES 6 VOL 5
Muster and Pay Rolls Pennsylvania Militia 1790-1800.
p.173
A true and exact list of the names and surnames of each and every free able bodied male white citizen of the age of 18 and under the age of 45 inhabiting and residing within the bounds of the 1st Battalion of Cumberland County, Militia. 4 Feb 1793 — Lt. Jno. Alexander, Cumb. Co.
No. 86 William Guthrie
No. 71 (171). Robert Guthrie

WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Details on the following can be read here:
WG-1: William Guthrie 1740/43PA-1803/04VA (m. Esther McClelland, Franky Young)
WG-2: William Guthrie 1736PA-1823KY (m. Catherine MNU)
WG-3: William Guthrie 1744IRE-1807PA (m. Mary Welch)
WG-4: William Guthrie 1751IRE-1828PA (m. Elizabeth (Guthrie) Brownlee)
WG-5: William Guthrie 1763PA-1835PA (m. Mary Batten, Hannah Batten)
WG-6: William Guthrie c1735-1829PA (Unmarried / No Children)
WG-7: William Guthrie 1766IRE-1848OH (m. Margaret Smith)

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  1. Good morning, Ann; Perhaps I have just not been paying close attention. But, it seems in the last year/year+, you have been more active in sharing information about the Guthries. Your research and the information you share is impressive. I really enjoy it. Craig Guthrie Family Group 5

    • Glad to hear you’re enjoying the content. Those extra posts were mainly due to being stuck at home for four months with a broken leg! I will try my best to post regularly, but all of you are welcome to submit or collaborate on content if you have info or ideas you’d like to share.

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